Talk:Nadar (caste)

I want the Wikipedia organization to take action on deleting this page. As a direct descendant of Nadar Jenmi royal houses, this page doesn’t represent my ancestors royal roles. I see marginal informations are from last 25 years are heavily cited, this is the same Britain erasure tactic on Nadar rulers they did during 1850 to 1939. Please allow primary archaeological evidences to be entered here. The admin users are trying to delete and revert any ruling informations about Nadar’s. I suspect based on the talk page comments from certain users they are deliberately misleading this page to degrade Nadar’s. 47.189.147.133 (talk) 08:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

I have already explicitly explained the rules of Wikipedia to you. Wikipedia is merely a collection of articles that are backed up by peer-reviewed research. The peer-reviewed research may have errors. However, Wikipedia is not a place where you can do your own research (go through the rules of Wikipedia properly). Wikipedia is not for or against any community. The archaeological evidence you are suggesting must be documented by a historian/anthropologist and should be published in a prominent historical research press (like Oxford University Press, etc.). If you can do all that and provide us the appropriate reference, we can include it in the article. But blatantly accusing everyone on Wikipedia is not going to get things done here. Sorry to be blunt. Mayan302 (talk) 12:52, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

The truth is, even today, evidence presented by Nadar historians continues to be dismissed or sidelined in Indian courts, often with ASI interpretations favouring older colonial frameworks. Sorry to state the hard truth the British missionary perspective remains deeply embedded and institutionally protected. Several Tamil historians have already documented this pattern, yet their peer-reviewed works and field evidences are routinely overlooked.so whatever you say is impossible to do. 47.189.147.133 (talk) 13:37, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Question to you? How are your board allowing nair and Namboothiri without any evidences to take over Tamil dynasties as their? Is it peer reviewed and approved by Oxford? Just asking you sarcastically? Go and check Chera, AY Vel and Venadu pages. 47.189.147.133 (talk) 14:24, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

How are your boards at Wikipedia (propaganda pedia) allowing Nair and Namboothiri to claim Tamil dynasties without any evidence?

Is that peer-reviewed and approved by Oxford?

Just asking you sarcastically.”

— Velayudhan Santhini Jebasanthi, Vault Keeper of Truths 47.189.147.133 (talk) 14:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Hey Mayan!!

Why does Oxford only “peer-review” works that label Nadars as servile, but not the ones presenting their royal and maritime records?

If peer review truly means fairness, why are colonial frameworks the only ones validated, while indigenous Tamil sources are dismissed?

Just asking because selective scholarship isn’t objectivity.

— Velayudhan Santhini Jebasanthi, Vault Keeper of Truths 47.189.147.133 (talk) 14:31, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

If you want a page deleted, the venue is WP:AfD; though I personally don't believe you'll yield the result you wish for. Also, per @Mayan302, you (IP) are yet to provide any sources for what you want changed. Propoganda pedia? Name calling isn't nice. Babysharkb☩ss2 I am Thou, Thou art I 14:30, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Let me assure you, I am not here to quarrel with volunteers. I am here to remind historians.

When colonial editors and missionary presses became the first “peer reviewers,” they also became the first gatekeepers of Tamil truth. Centuries later, when those same frameworks are repeated as gospel on modern platforms, it is not scholarship it is echo.

I speak not from resentment but from record. The palm-leafs in my vault carry more peer review than any London desk. They were tested by time, not tenure.

So, to the good editors at “Propagandapedia” keep your rules. I keep the records. And truth, as always, does not need your approval to exist.

— Velayudhan Santhini Jebasanthi,

Vault Keeper of Truths 47.189.147.133 (talk) 14:35, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

If you want it deleted, go to AfD. If you want it changed, provide reliable sources. There's not much advice I can offer. Babysharkb☩ss2 I am Thou, Thou art I 14:41, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

I rest my words here. History does not vanish because a moderator archived it.

Empires erased palm leaves before; yet the leaves grew again.

So will truth in every archive, in every language, and in every age that still dares to remember.

Velayudhan Santhini Jebasanthi, Vault Keeper of Truths 47.189.147.133 (talk) 14:53, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Then, this is the last place you should visit. This article is based on the research done by Robert Hardgrave. His work was published by the University of California Press. As I said, if you want to alter history, go after the source (ASI, NAMAMI, etc.). No one can help you here. Mayan302 (talk) 14:56, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

@Mayan302 Mind if I close this? Babysharkb☩ss2 I am Thou, Thou art I 14:57, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Sure Mayan302 (talk) 15:00, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Mayan, at “Propagandapedia” — the platform that once served British, missionary, and auxiliary dynasties who profited by erasing Nadan history:

Thank you, Mayan.

I fully understand this is not the place for living archives, only for printed lies and permissions. But remember this: history does not wait for institutions barely two centuries old to approve its heartbeat. Ours is more than 12000 yrs old as proved by Tolkappiar who lived in my native Athencode.

Robert Hardgrave wrote with access to British and missionary records; we write with access to the soil and the palm-leaf. Both are records one sanctioned, the other silenced. And even Hardgrave, by 2023, acknowledged us — that matters more than you realize.

When truth returns through the people, even the marble halls of Oxford will echo differently.

Until then, the Vault remains open elsewhere.

— Velayudhan Santhini Jebasanthi,

Vault Keeper of Truths 47.189.147.133 (talk) 15:07, 7 October 2025 (UTC)