Talk:Sabre Dance/GA1

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Nominator: Yerevantsi (talk · contribs) 19:04, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: UpTheOctave! (talk · contribs) 08:03, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

I love Khachaturian (particularly his piano sonata and sonatina), so I’ll take this one. Expect comments within a week, but chase me up if I forget :) UpTheOctave!  8va? 08:03, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

Yerevantsi, I've now finished my review. The only outstanding points I can see are 1a and 3a; once you have dealt with these, please ping me so I can give it a final read over. UpTheOctave!  8va? 19:34, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
@UpTheOctave!:, thanks for the review. Can you check my responses? ----Երևանցի talk 20:15, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
@UpTheOctave!:. I've addressed all your comments. Ive' also made some mostly small additions to the article while it was being reviewed. ----Երևանցի talk 12:05, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

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A good article is...

Well-written:

Prose

  • "is considered one of the signature pieces of the 20th century" – signature pieces of what? Presumably Western classical music, but I'd be precise here.
The wording comes from the source below:
Adalian, Rouben Paul (2010). Historical Dictionary of Armenia. Lanham, Maryland: Scarecrow Press. p. 381. ISBN 978-0-8108-7450-3. As for the Sabre Dance from Gayane, it has entered the realm of popular music as one of the 20th century's signature pieces.
Should I make it "one of the signature pieces of the 20th century popular music"?
I think that would make sense
 Done
  • "two-and-a-half" should not be hyphenated as it is not a compound adjective
Fixed
  • "use on ... popular culture" doesn't really work, suggest changing to "use on screen and in popular culture"
Fixed
  • "final Act IV": it's surely either the final act, or Act IV?
Fixed
  • Is "Hapiness" an intentional mispelling?
Fixed No, just a typo.
  • "With a libretto", I think
Fixed
  • "her husband Giko", suggest a comma after Giko
Do you mean before?
Yes, sorry about that
Fixed
  • "the 'manly and heroic' essence of Armenian male folk dances, and 'the fiery temperament, raw energy'": I think this ought to be "the fiery temperament [and] raw energy". Also, the comma after dances could be easily cut.
Fixed
  • I think a comma is needed after "specialized woodwind instruments"
Fixed
  • "features a cello solo"
Fixed
  • "he jokingly responded:": I think comma instead of colon here
Fixed
  • "on the U.S. best-selling sheet music charts"
Fixed
  • "in the public domain"
Fixed
  • "various recordings spent 23 weeks on the top 40 of the Cash Box Disc-Hits Box Score, peaking at No. 1 in May 1948."
Fixed
  • "in November 1968, that propelled them to fame": spurious comma
Fixed
  • Comma needed after "In Tengiz Abuladze's Repentance (1987)"
Fixed
  • "The piece has also been used in women-only sports synchronized swimming and rhythmic gymnastics." Does this mean women's-only swimming and gymnastics, or women's only sports, synchronized swimming, and gymnastics?
As in both sports are contested exclusively by women. Not super important, but wanted to stress that because the listed figure skaters (chosen solely by prominence) are mostly men.
In that case, I would suggest phrasing as "The piece has also been used in women's-only synchronized swimming and rhythmic gymnastics."
Fixed
  • Comma after "Sochi, Russia"
Fixed

MOS

  • Generally compliant
  • Slight quibble: I feel like some of them smaller sections could easily be merged into larger sections with subsections. I've mocked up what this might look like below; feel free to use or disregard as this is not a GA criterion, although it is tangential to MOS:OVERSECTION.
    • Background
    • Composition
    • Reception and legacy (combining Popularity and legacy, and Critial reception)
    • Recordings, arrangements, and covers
    • Usage in popular culture
 Done No, I do agree. ----Երևանցի talk 09:41, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Verifiable with no original research:

  • Acceptable reference presentation for GA
    • Not GA, but would recommend bundling with {{multiref}} instead
Looks much neater. Done!
  • "global musical shorthand for cartoonish urgency" needs a WP:LEADCITE
added
  • What makes refs 20, 68, 91, 131, 132, 146, 207, and 209 reliable sources? (refs per this version - note by Yerevantsi)
20 = faculty.weber.edu removed.
68 = Discogs removed.
91 = This one's tricky. Discogs is the only source I could find on Liberace's 1951 recording since he was still a minor figure then and the album wasn't big. I'll check again to replace it with a better ref. UPD: I've removed the Discogs ref and reworded the Liberace bit.
131 & 132 = cashboxarchives.com is the authorized early archives of the magazine as directly linked in their website.
146 = SecondHandSongs removed.
207 = goldenskate.com is a reputable figure skating resource, but I've found a better source (an autobiography). I've kept goldenskate for now.
209 = icenetwork.com was ran (before being shut down in 2018) by U.S. Figure Skating, the national governing body.
Happy with changes
  • Spot checks look fine

Broad in its coverage:

  • Do we know anything more about the premiere or publishing of sheet music?
I could not find any more details on the premiere. I've have added a few sentences on sheet music here.
  • Generally stays on topic (as a musician, I'd love to see more weighting given to discussion to the music itself, but I don't view this as a barrier to broadness as I would with comprehensiveness)
Could you advise on how discussion of the music could be expanded or improved?
I thought I found more analysis, but it seems I was mistaken. It might be nice to have the full orchestration (maybe taken from a source like this DMA thesis), but that isn't essential at this stage.

Neutral:

  • I think generally more opinions need to be attributed in text. We have things like "one of the most famous pieces of music", but without knowing who said these it has quite a laudatory air. Including attribution would help to prevent this.
Fixed
  • "'Sabre Dance' has featured in countless feature films": countless seems both over-enthusiastic and incorrect. I'm sure someone could tally up the appearances if given time. I suggest replacing with many.
Fixed

Stable:

  • Content is not subject to an edit war, and has been stable barring gradual improvements in preparation for review

Illustrated:

Fixed

Last comments:

  • "It is also used in sports, notably as a theme song": MOS:EDITORIAL
Fixed
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  • Missing full stop after "Ukrainian Gopak (Hopak)"
Fixed
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  • I'm assuming the "sliding effects" are just glissandos. Suggest a link to glissando or just replacing with the proper term
yes, Fixed
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  • "In 1948, "Sabre Dance" became a jukebox sensation in the United States—dubbed the "Khachaturian Year" by Newsweek.": This construction doesn't really work. I suggest something like the following reshuffle to make sure the last part is modifying the year.:"In 1948—which was dubbed the "Khachaturian Year" by Newsweek—"Sabre Dance" became a jukebox sensation in the United States."
 Done
  • "blues/psychedelic guitar/bass/drum instrumental version": rephrase dash constructions per MOS:/
 Done
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