Talk:Sailor Moon season 1

Naoko Takeuchi's Name

According to the official Website she names this arc "Dark Kingdom". That probably is worth noting. --Hitsuji Kinno 20:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

That's probably worth moving the page for, in fact, since this title was a placeholder in lieu of anything official. How about Dark Kingdom arc? --Masamage ♫ 04:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm fine with it. -Malkinann 00:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It's been a month.. either move it or set a date then move it...--Hitsuji Kinno 05:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Moving now. --Masamage ♫ 20:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be more in keeping with the usual Wikipedia article naming standards to move this to Dark Kingdom (Sailor Moon). Caerwine Caer’s whines 20:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really, because it's only disambiguating from the Dark Kingdom article, which is also from Sailor Moon. The name of the arc is derived from the name of that character group. --Masamage ♫ 23:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Title Order

The title order is wrong... the sub is being listed first when it should go second. I'm not able to fix this now, but could someone fix this and check the other articles in the project's episode lists?--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 20:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see it. The dub title is appearing before the subtitle in both the table header and its entries. --Masamage ♫ 22:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, typo. The dub should come after the sub title... not before, if we are following the MOS-Anime rules about event order. (manga, anime, dub...) Is there a FA precedent for dub before sub?--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 03:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Let me put a new way any strong objections to making the titles go sub before dub to fit the general order of the table and to follow the MOS-Anime rules? If you have objections, I'll give you one week. Also I'd like to fix the titles so where it says "warrior" in the translation it says "soldier" to be congruous with the Japanese word "Senshi" (unless it's in the box like that, if so holler.) Since the Japanese title is "Pretty Sailor Soldier Sailor Moon" I'd like some consistency... unless someone can come up with a good reason (box sets) to keep as is.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 04:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It's Warrior in the box sets. :/ --Masamage ♫ 15:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the title order which should make the table read better. Japanese English Title first, then English, which should correspond with the Japanese episode number first, then English episode. I'm going to double check back against FA tables.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

This has been reverted. The English dub title comes before the sub. The dubs were released first, and all other lists where there is a difference put dub before sub.This is following the MoS guidelines, not putting the sub first. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

This goes against the listed MoS at AMP though. Even if the dub was released first, it makes the article hard to read because those who don't speak Japanese will assume that the dub title first is a translation of the Japanese title... and please don't revert without discussion first. I listed my reasoning and gave ample time... I don't like edit wars. The issue still stands even with the revert. --Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

This seems extraordinary - of course the dubs were not released first, the Japanese version was released first. I can't see anything in MOS:ANIME which bears on episode titles - and there is only one occurence of "dub" in the page at all - and I notice putting the DiC titles first has a distinctly awkward consequence in that sometimes the first item is the DiC title and sometimes, where there was no original dub episode, it's the Japanese title translated. I intend to rearrange these.

I know this discussion was 15 years ago but it seems to have merited discussion then; perhaps anyone still watching this talk page will want to chip in. Pinkbeast (talk) 05:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 21:52, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

List of Sailor Moon episodes (season 1) → Sailor Moon (season 1)Sailor Moon (season 1) – Per WP:TVSEASON. George Ho (talk) 06:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Oppose It's been standard practice for years that anime episode lists to use the "List of X episodes" as seen in Category:Lists of anime episodes. The current name is also supported by WP:LISTNAME because this is a list where as "X (season 1)" leaves the impression that this is an article about a particular season instead of a list of episodes. —Farix (t | c) 10:13, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. Sailor Moon R article no longer looks like a mere list format. I have proposed a merger of character group article into the article/list. --George Ho (talk) 16:47, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Oppose Anime episodes use the "List of.." format as Farix said. Other than the characters section, the page looks like every other Anime episode list on WP:A&M. Ryulong had moved the characters but someone put it back for whatever reason. I'd opt to move them to List of Sailor Moon characters where they belong. —KirtZ^Message 22:30, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Oppose There is a long existing standard which has held up through many FLC's. I also agree with KirtZJ regarding the characters. SephyTheThird (talk) 23:01, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:LISTNAME, merges can be held elsewhere. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:57, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Synopsises not working

For some reason, the episode table does not list the synopsises anymore. The edit history doesn't show that they were removed. What happened?

User:Mvboys2 (Usertalk:Mvboys2) 22:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Please check this discussion. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2019

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:18, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

– Articles on seasons of other anime series follow this pattern: Naruto (season 1), Dragon Ball Z (season 1), One Piece (season 1), and even the FAs Bleach (season 1) and Bleach (season 2). Most of them consist only of the episode list, with some including the DVD and other home releases. Same applies to the Sailor Moon seasons. LoЯd ۞pεth 17:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Support Seems consistent with not just anime series, but TV series in general. Relevant search results for article titles matching each pattern. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television/Episode_coverage_task_force#Lists_of_episodes for more examples and WP:TVSEASON. Colin M (talk) 18:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Absolutely support as per WP:NCTV. This naming problem has been a consistent issue with the anime articles – you're either a "List of episodes" (i.e. multiple seasons), or you're a "season article": there's no such thing as a "List of episodes for a single season(!)" article. The proposed naming scheme is correct here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Summary formatting

I've been thinking: how should we reformat the summaries in the episodes section? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:29, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, what is the specific problem with the current format? I had a quick look at the article and summaries, but I don't see a major problem, although I didn't read them all in detail. I see that the summaries of some episodes are very short compared to others, so there's an imbalance. Xexerss (talk) 05:29, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

There was a note at the top which says "In a typical episode, the Dark Kingdom has a plot (eg, in early episodes, to steal life energy from humans) using a monster of some kind, but the Sailor Guardians discover the plot and defeat the monster." According to Pinkbeast (talk · contribs), "it's half the plot of almost every episode and that means [they] can keep the individual synopses shorter". Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:44, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

I see, now I understand. In that case, I see no problem with making the summaries even more concise for each episode. I'm not sure about the note at the beginning, though; perhaps there's a better way to indicate this information more formally. I don't know what else I can contribute to the discussion, but that's what I think for now. Xexerss (talk) 07:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

They seem pretty short to me. monster of the week episodes can be like List of Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir episodes in brevity. They don't need to go into detail on how the monster is defeated but they at least describe the monster/villain and their ability for easy recall. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 04:27, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm open to suggestions of a better way but until there is one, I submit that having the note is better than not having the note.

I'm continuing to rewrite them during a rewatch, but I'm not married to the wording for individual episodes, just trying to make things a bit better by replacing "no spoilers" coy synopses that don't actually tell the reader what happened.

In particular I struggle to keep them short because leaving things out feels like it being wrong, which I suspect is a problem many people have.

However, I strongly suggest it is not helpful to rewrite them if you have not in fact recently watched the episodes in question or consulted a more comprehensive list of synopses. Pinkbeast (talk) 09:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

As long as they're not so short that they look like what online streaming and television guides copy over to their episode listings. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 10:59, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

For reference, part of the short summary parameter guidelines as listed in the Template:Episode list documentation mentions: A short 100–200 word plot summary of the episode. Make summaries specific to that episode (as in, a description that would normally not be confused with another episode). Episode summaries must not be copied from other sources, as this violates WP:COPYRIGHT. Further guidance on plot summaries may be found at WP:TVPLOT.

So, in short, we usually keep the plot of each episode between 100 to 200 words.

For a specific episode's monster, we can include their names and what they do for that episode. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:07, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

I fear there's still a fundamental misunderstanding here; there is a _reason_ I have not (IIRC) added the name of a single monster of the week. They're not, except in a few exceptional cases, the interesting bit (and largely executed via the animator's best friend, stock footage); it's what happens to the non-monster characters which is interesting. I don't think this is entirely like Miraculous, mentioned above, where who gets "akumatised" and how this is rectified is more of a focus.

I agree 100 to 200 words is a reasonable target but I discuss below why I think some are naturally short and some are long.

I think Angus's main concern, like mine, is avoiding the plot "synopsis" that doesn't actually tell you what happened. Pinkbeast (talk) 15:06, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

I think some are rightly shorter than others. In some episodes there really just is the monster of the week - #7 comes to mind, the Dark Kingdom is trying the same old plan with which we are now familiar, the monster isn't a transformed civilian who wants a bit of description, it really does just come down to "The Dark Kingdom tries to steal life energy by [fill in blank here]".

In others, while there is (as in 95% of episodes) a monster of the week, there's a bunch more side plot; someone finds out someone else's civilian identity, a new Sailor turns up, a bit of backstory about the Moon Kingdom or why Beryl is doing this, a Dark General (or in later seasons other recurring adversary) dies. Those are naturally longer. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:40, 1 May 2025 (UTC)