Talk:Sharat Chandra Chattopadhyay

Confusion roll up: Saratchandra or Sharatchandra?

The title of the article is Sharat Chandra and the spelling Sarat Chandra spelling has been used. What is the correct spelling? --Tito Dutta (Talk) 05:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved per request. Noting the uncertainty expressed below, there's no actual opposition to this move, so I'm giving the request the benefit of the doubt. If this is a bad move, we'll find out. - GTBacchus^(talk) 02:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

The title of the article is Sharat Chandra and the spelling Sarat Chandra spelling has been used. Google is also supporting the spelling Sarat Chandra Chattopdhyay.

I am proposing a move. Looking forward for further discussion. Thanks!
--Tito Dutta (Talk) 05:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Her name in Bengali starts with the letter শ, which is "śa". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

You meant "His", right? Anyway, what spelling did the subject himself use? Also, what spelling was used in the English language media of his time? We can set the phonetics aside and use the author's own way of spelling his name. --Ragib (talk) 06:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I have mentioned already Google is suggesting the spelling "Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay". I have found it in a site affiliated by West Bengal Government], the spelling "Sarat Chandra" is being used. Thanks. --Tito Dutta (Talk) 12:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Unsure, Google web search gives me about the same number of ghits for the existing title as for the proposed new one . Not sure how much weight to give the government site; Do we have any evidence of his own preference? Andrewa (talk) 06:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

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Sarat writes to Manindranath 1931

I am afraid I am new to the Wiki uploading process and do not know how to upload the three pics I have linked to. Anyone may please do so on my behalf. There is no copyright infringement. All three are owned by me. DrSubrotoRoy (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I am also uploading his Sraddha notice; he died 2 Magh 1344, or 15 January 1938. I have his brother's invitation to my father in hand, which is being uploaded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.124.38 (talk) 05:29, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Personal Life: Bad sentencing

The start of the personal life is very badly phased to even comprehend what intension of the contributor, written lik

Scanty information on the subject of his work

This article lacks information on the ideologies of Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay's works, the features of his work, the literary movements his works are a part of as well as his views on various os social, polital and philosophical issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niljana (talk • contribs) 19:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Irrelevant and repetitive information in Sarat Chandra's "Early life"

Sarat Chandra's Early life has about 1,200 words. By contrast, Life in Burma has 330 words, Later life 550 words, and Personal life 280 words.

In December 2023, Early life had 600+ words. It was probably too much and required trimming. Instead, we have this "word surge."

This 1,200 word entry has some shortcomings:

(1) The author writes: "Much of Chattopadhyay's early life is disputed." Then he goes on to describe his early life in great detail.

(2) Weak writer - his additions are abrupt and do not seamlessly fit with the existing entry. There is a wrong time sequencing: paragraphs discuss 1886, 1889, 1995, then go back to 1994 and again move forward.

(3) Needless details (like who the landlord was, who tutored whom, who took money to finance a lawsuit, which schools Sarat Chandra moved to different schools, ...)

(4) Repetitions - Sarat Chandra's parents are introduced three times (twice here, one more time under "Personal life") Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay is mentioned twice.

This entry should give a non-Indian reader (or even an Indian reader) a short, focused, highly readable introduction to Sarat Chandra--his life, how his life might have influenced his works, a list of his works, and so on. These additions fail to do that.

Perhaps the writer / editor should consider creating a separate entry modelled after the "Early life of Rabindranath Tagore" which is connected to the main Wikipedia entry on Rabindranath. (BTW, Tagore's extensively documented early life has 720+ words, while the current version of Sarat Chandra has many more!)

Arkachatterjea (talk) 23:58, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

There is no problem if the early life section has more words than other sections below.

(1): You are right, the author does say that Sarat Chandra's early life is disputed and then goes on to describe his life in detail.

(2): I don't understand this one, where is "1994" or "1995" mentioned in the article?

(3): These details are still relevant as they are about the life of Sarat Chandra.

(4): The one in the personal life section is a reception or comment on the life of Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay by a person, and having such comments has no harm.

To a reader of the article, these additions make no problem, as they are readable because the text describes the life and career of Sarat Chandra.

There is no use comparing Sarat Chandra's early life to Rabindranath, as the rest of Rabindranath's article does not majorly focus on his career.

An article titled "Early life of Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay" was deleted a while ago.

There arises no problem in adding extra text to any article, even if it differs from other parts or has small details. The added text is supported by reliable books. Babin Mew (talk) 07:54, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the error. Should be 1894 and 1895.

Illustrative examples of shortcomings noted in my above post:

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(from Early life):

Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay started working from an early age, his father not having any source of income. His education was not properly completed because of the lack of money. Chattopadhyay took an interest in literature from Motilal [Noted earlier in para 3]

In 1886, Chattopadhyay went to travel in Dehri-on-Sone. [Why relevant?] After this travel, Matilal sent him to Durgacharan Middle English School in Bhagalpur for a getting a scholarship [?]

In 1889, Matilal lost his job. Chattopadhyay and his whole family shifted into Debanandapur, where he enrolled into the Hooghly District School. [Why relevant?] His father arranged a room for Sarat Chandra to stay, at the house of landlord Bholanath Mukhopadhyay. [Why information relevant? Why Bholanath's name relevant?] He stayed in the residence for a few years and returned to Debanandapur. [Why mention all these moving back and forth?] Matilal was unable to further pay for Chattopadhyay's education. [Why repeat Matilal's poverty?] They traveled to Bhagalpur in 1893 and Chattopadhyay got enrolled in Tejnarayan Jubilee Collegiate School. Panchkadi Mukhopadhyay, a teacher in the school helped Chattopadhyay to complete his homework. [Why this information and the teacher's name relevant?] Kedarnath died in 1892. His death caused turmoil in the family. His son Thakurdas Gangopadhyay spent money on lawyers for a financial lawsuit. [Why relevant?] To pay for Chattopadhyay's education, Kedarnath's son Bipradas borrowed money. Chattopadhyay completed his entrance exams in 1893. [By the way, "Sarat Sahitya Samagra" (published by Ananda) gives the year as 1894 as noted below. And it repeats information that was already there below.]

In 1895, Chattopadhyay's mother Bhubanmohini died. [Why repeat information that was already there below.] Matilal sold his paternal house on November 9, 1896 [Why repeat information given below?] to Kedarnath's brother Aghornath for ₹255. [Why Aghornath's name is relevant? Or, 255 rupees?] After November 1896 ...

.... However, in 1892, [move back in time] financial difficulties forced him to stay out of school for one year. He began writing stories at the time.

In 1894, Sarat Chandra passed his Entrance Examination ...

On his wife's death in 1895, Matilal left the house of his in-laws and moved the family to a mud house in Bhagalpur. In 1896, he sold his ancestral house to repay debts. ...

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You wrote: "An article titled "Early life of Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay" was deleted a while ago."

Doesn't that mean the editors found too much detail of SCC's life irrelevant and removed it? Arkachatterjea (talk) 03:22, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the problems in the text, however I have only removed the irrelevant info like names and added some text for clarification purposes. I didn't pay attention to the rest of the text below, and just the repeating parts are added in more detail. The information I gathered from the books are about the life of Sarat Chandra so I did not remove them. Also "Early life of Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay" was removed as a duplicate of the section "Early life" which you just mentioned; under A10 of speedy deletion criteria, even though the article had separate info and was developing. Babin Mew (talk) 05:30, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. Here are some recommendations for your consideration:

(A) I think the following paragraph can be moved up and made the second para (with cleaning up some redundancies)

Sarat Chandra's father was Matilal Chattopadhyay and mother Bhubanmohini Devi. ... he could not hold on to any jobs.

Now, what you say about Baikuntha's murder is a sensational piece of information. I haven't heard about this before. However, if you have checked good sources and it seems legit, it can be kept.

(B) I think these two paragraphs provide lots of information in Sarat Chandra's own words:

Sarat Chandra wrote in the English translation of his monumental book Srikanta:

"My childhood and youth were passed in great poverty. ... when I was barely seventeen.

So, it avoids the need to provide many details.

(C) The following three paragraphs may be deleted.

In 1886, Chattopadhyay went to travel in Dehri-on-Sone ... promotion before.

In 1889, Matilal lost his job. ... narrating stories and the theaters.

Matilal sold his paternal house on November 9, 1896 .... his education conditions to Lilarani Gangopadhyay Arkachatterjea (talk) 06:12, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I have done (A). But I think the three paragraphs in (C) are still somewhat relevant as they are supported by established reliable book sources, and they document the life of Sarat Chandra. Babin Mew (talk) 06:23, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Let's hear from other editors. Arkachatterjea (talk) 22:38, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

The section is too long. I agree with removing the paragraphs in C but would like to see your proposal to summarize any relevant info Drew Stanley (talk) 00:49, 2 June 2026 (UTC)