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Hello, i dont know much about other subjects and regions, but i can assure that this conflict was an Ottoman victory in North Africa, i would like this to be added but of course its open for discussion. Thanks! Algerianeditor17 (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, I don't agree with making those changes. The conflict didn't only occur in North Africa, and you'd still need sources to back up your claim. RobertJohnson35 – talk 21:02, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
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Hi @Sr L I hope that you are doing well.
As the original creator of this article, I’d like to understand your approach to covering 300 years of complex history. Initially, it focused on the Ottoman-Spanish War from 1515 to 1577, but it has since expanded to include all Spanish-Ottoman conflicts (How was this title chosen?). Did you thoroughly check and verify all the sources mentioned? What structures did you use to collect sources and select the reliable historians? I find the current structure very confusing and it includes many unreliable maps. I think we should revert to the original translated article and keep it that way for now. Regards Riad Salih (talk) 22:08, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for being late in answering. The tittle of the article was choosen because the war started during the reign of Charles I of Spain legally ended in 1782, when was done a formal Peace Treaty (so, before that there were a lot of truces through truces). So, from 1520s to 1782, there was a continous state of war between the Hispanic Monarchy and the Ottoman Caliphate.
- In that way, the sources I selected were the ones that phocus mostly in the Spanish-Ottoman conflicts through those years (which also includes a diplomatic theater of global scale, involving Portuguese Empire, Safavid Iran, Ethiopian Empire, Aceh Sultanate, Bruneian Empire, etc), but having priority the era of 1515-1577 for being the climax of the conflict and the phase that is most recorded in popular culture, while also considering the sources that talks about the globalisation of such war through their Overse empires. Despite, I have to recognise that due to a lack of time, I didn't ended the specifications about the 2nd phase of the conflict during the rule of Pedro Téllez-Girón, 3rd Duke of Osuna as Viceroy of Spanish Italy during early 1600s (coinciding with the Ottoman–Safavid war (1603–1612) and Ottoman–Safavid War (1623–1639) due to a diplomatic approach of Habsburg Spain with Shah Abbas the Great of Persia) and another final phase during Bourbon Spain era with the geopolitics of Spanish Oran.
- Also I have to mention that originally this article was a translation of the original Turkish article, so there are sources of turkish language that I've just mantained without being capable to translate them, trusting that the editors of Turkish Wikipedia have done a good job (and that's why I've tried to search good maps of the fact that the war was against the Ottoman Caliphate as a whole instead of only the Ottoman Sultanate). Sr L (talk) 03:44, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Sr L Thank you for your explanation. However, I believe we should revert the article to its original title and content, as the current structure is misleading and poorly sourced. It's important to verify all information and ensure that it is appropriately supported by reliable sources, rather than relying solely on the original Turkish article. There are numerous anachronistic applications, improperly sourced passages, and trivial assertions that cannot be assumed as uncontested facts, along with unverified flags. The methodology used here is not suitable for a topic as complex as the Spanish-Ottoman wars, which lasted for centuries. Riad Salih (talk) 22:17, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
Flags in the infobox
@Riad Salih I don't think MOS:FLAGS applies here. MOS:MILFLAGS says: Icons that differentiate among several parties (for example, icons used to indicate commander allegiance in Battle of the Atlantic) are likely to be useful
. This infobox has nearly 45 belligerents (without including those in collapsible lists which would be much more) and differentiating between commanders becomes too confusing. If there are flags, they can be differentiated much more easily. If this war involved only two countries, then it would be redundant, but that's not the case. RobertJohnson35 – talk 22:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- @RobertJohnson35 I wrote my answer, but I removed it. Your approach is aggressive and unfriendly. We will need mediation for this. Riad Salih (talk) 22:26, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry if my way of speaking seems aggressive and unfriendly, that isn't my intention. I just said that the flags are useful in the article, not just decorative. RobertJohnson35 – talk 22:30, 10 July 2025 (UTC)