User talk:Hoyyanfromtribeforest

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Hello, Hoyyanfromtribeforest, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you created or edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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Managing a conflict of interest

Information icon Hello, Yanneo. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Sian Chay Medical Institution, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. We ask that you:

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation for any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

See the FAQ for article subjects for more information.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. ~ JASWE (talk) 03:25, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

June 2026

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Hello Yanneo. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Yanneo. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Yanneo|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Whyiseverythingalreadyused (t · c · he/him) 11:05, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Whyiseverythingalreadyused! Thanks for the comments. I have disclosed the client affiliation on my User page. I just want to clarify that they did not ask me to create a Wikipedia page to advertise, publisize, or promote them. It was out of my own free will and interest to try and create a Wikipedia page since I realized that the client is a notable person. Do you think perhaps the pages can be reinstated again? Since I did draft and cite all the information based on credible sources like The Straits Times and Forbes, which I believe would mean that I wrote in a neutral point of view. Yanneo (talk) 02:33, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
This Tribeforest is it? You mind if I refer this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Singapore? Whyiseverythingalreadyused (t · c · he/him) 02:39, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
Yes. I do not mind. Thanks for the help. Yanneo (talk) 02:43, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
@Whyiseverythingalreadyused, I guess you did not notice the reply so pinging you here.
@Yanneo, so based on your declaration, the article Draft:Sian Chay Medical Institution is a paid work? ~ JASWE (talk) 05:16, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
Hi @Justanothersgwikieditor! Thanks for the follow-up. Is it considered paid work if they didn’t ask me to create a Wikipedia page for them? They are just one of my agency’s client, but I realized that they were a notable person, so I decided to try and create Wiki pages for Draft:Toh Soon Huat and Draft:Sian Chay Medical Institution myself, not because they paid me to do so. Yanneo (talk) 06:42, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
Your agency is a client of Sian Chay Medical Institution but you are not assigned to write up their Wikipedia articles. Technically, you should not have a COI. In my opinion, you should not have a COI but it might be a grey area to some editors. This is why I am asking to clarify here. A clarification at WikiProject Singapore with other editors will help also.
For avoidance of future incidents, submission via AFC is a clear and good choice. The process might be a bit slow but do work with the reviewer if it was rejected by the reviewer, it will be faster if the reviewer can tell you directly what is missing and required, I personally find the templates a bit inadequate.
Once either article is published, if you like to make any more changes, I would strongly suggest making an edit request on their talkpage (you can also use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard as well). Again, this will be a slow process. Multiple small changes will be easier and faster rather than a few big changes. ~ JASWE (talk) 07:30, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
I see. Thanks for taking the time to understand me! I have a few questions:
  1. Is it okay if I remove the COI on my user page? Do I need to make a different declaration so that people know I am not paid to write for them?
  2. How do I clarify this at WikiProject Singapore and other editors so the content won't be flagged?
  3. I have submitted them via AFC, but I was wondering how to clarify this issue so that the COI tags can be removed?
Thanks again for all the explanations and insights. They’re very helpful. I will keep them in mind. Yanneo (talk) 08:32, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
1. At this point, it is better to leave it there. Your previous username has the agency name on it (and we can see that), so the whole story needs to be rehashed again. Editors may feel that you are covering something up (I will lean that way also if this conversation never happened). There is no issue with declaring your COI, editors will just scrutinise your edits a bit more for related articles but if everything is fine, nothing to be worried about.
2. When Whyiseverythingalreadyused posted on the talkpage, you can ask whoever is reading it to refer here and just make the same declaration aka your agency's client is Sian Chay but you are not tasked to do anything related to Sian Chay and that this is your own personal agency to write up on both of them.
3. I am not very sure with the process. The COI tags could possibly be permanently there as a result of your creation and editing. It could be removed but you can check with the reviewer once they approve the article(s). I am pretty sure the talkpages of both articles would most likely have you tagged as a connected editor. Let me take a quick look at the possible templates.
Appreciate this conversation as it make things a lot easier now than later. ~ JASWE (talk) 08:45, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
Yap, the talkpages would probably be tagged just with this template:{{Template:Connected contributor}}. Let me check with another editor on your situation. ~ JASWE (talk) 08:49, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
Hi Yanneo, apparently I got asked to chime in on this given that I am in a similar position of having conflicts of interest of varying degrees with certain subjects that have articles here. Conflict of interest here may or may not be direct (See: WP:ACTUALCOI). Currently your disclosure on your user page is not congruent with what you have described here. I would suggest that for consistency, you update the disclosure that is more aligned with the clarification that you have made above, something like I have done on my own user page User:Robertsky#Disclosures. Outright removal from your user page may invite further or repeated questioning in the future. Note, requesting for deletion for your user page may invite more questioning.
For the article talk page, add {{Connected contributor}} to describe the relationship would be prudent, e.g. Talk:Kiat Lim.
The advice for questions 1 and 2 that @Justanothersgwikieditor are what I would advice as well. And yes, I also think that the Edit request process is an additional overhead, but by keeping my request(s) simple (see also on Kiat Lim's talk page), I find that it presents a low hanging fruit for the reviewing editor to accept and approve quickly. – robertsky (talk) 14:11, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
If you wish to use a template on your user page, {{User disclosure}} would be the one to use. – robertsky (talk) 14:13, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
Hello @Robertsky, thank you for all your suggestions! I have implemented them. You can find that I updated my user page with a disclosure using your suggested template, and added a declaration on the articles’ talk pages here and here to describe the relationship. Yanneo (talk) 02:35, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
robertsky, thank you for chiming in and advising! ~ JASWE (talk) 03:08, 26 June 2026 (UTC)