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The result was merge to 2026 Tower Hamlets London Borough Council election. Owen× ☎ 15:18, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
2026 Tower Hamlets mayoral election
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For the 2026 local elections in the UK, pages have been made for each of the mayor elections. However, I would argue there is nothing in them that requires their own page, when the standard for these elections is just to include the results in the relevant 'Mayor of X' page. Since these mayors are so low level in the grand scheme of UK politics, there simply isn't enough coverage of most of these to need more than a table of results usually. For example on this page, the background is already covered entirely on the TH's mayor page already, and is more a history of the mayorship rather than about the buildup to this election. The "Electoral system" subsection is just boilerplate text someone has added to every mayor page ran in this set of local elections. Information is so bereft that the infobox itself is larger than the paragraphs of text because of the pictures. While all mayor elections are notable, there's nothing here to justify this specific year needing its own page. As such, outside of a line noting the move to FPTP I think this page can just be a redirect.
All the above can apply to any of the mayor election articles for 2026 btw, I just wanted to test the waters on this one first. If this merge is successful, I'll be proposing the same for the other articles. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 20:46, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Note: this discussion has been included in the AfD sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Politics, and England. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:47, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Comment Exactly the same thing was proposed recently for 2026 Croydon mayoral election (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2026 Croydon mayoral election), where the discussion was closed with a result of no consensus. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 20:48, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks Chessrat, I wasn't aware of that one. I'd say the target merge point makes it a little different, albeit slightly. Putting this page with the rest of the Mayor of X results is consistent with the other mayor results and is only one extra table, whereas I'd agree adding this to the 2026 Tower Hamlets London Borough Council election would be a bit messy and isn't intuitive to find. Plus, it's been a month since the local elections whereas that proposal happened while the dust was still setting on them, and this page has barely been touched in that time with no interesting fallout being documented. Or to put it another way - outside of a one liner note to say this was held under FPTP, what exactly about this year's election requires its own page, when the previous mayor elections for Tower Hamlets have not needed to be split out? RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 21:38, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Having separate articles makes it easier to cover articles in more detail (e.g. the 2026 Croydon mayoral election article contains results by constituency). Most UK elections are covered in separate articles and it seems to be an exception to the rule that that wasn't done for most mayoral elections until recently (with a few exceptions like 2025 North Tyneside mayoral election and 2009 Doncaster mayoral election). Chessrat (talk, contributions) 21:46, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- I am interested here in knowing: is there a particular rule or consensus for UK elections to be covered like this in Wikipedia? If so, where can I find it? The amount of articles covering smaller city/council elections in the UK is staggering. Yes, having separate articles may make it easier to cover them in detail, but Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and this looks like almost every city/council election is having an article. Why is this level of detail even needed? Impru20talk 21:54, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- I don't believe it's ever come into question before. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 22:09, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- To be honest Impru, I've been wondering the same myself for a while, and part of what motivated me to raise this merge in the first place. About a year ago, I found myself adding a few diagrams to the early Welwyn Hatfield elections for a few hours before realising - what was the point? They're all stubs like this and are unlikely to ever expand because ultimately, what are the chances anyone needs to know a small council's results from ~40 years back? (And if you did for whatever reason need such niche info, you'd be deep enough in the subject to know to contact Plymouth Uni for the results as was done with these pages).
- There's a lot of district council pages like this. Just in Hertfordshire alone nearly every year's elections for each of the district-level councils has an entry but they're nearly universally just "an election happened, here's the results copied and pasted from this source". I'd happily merge most of these into one page or move for them for to be deleted. A topic to be raised at the WP for UK politics, perhaps? RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 22:11, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Actually to add to this, and proves the point more, I believe every district council has a page that already lists the changing seat count each year. For example, here's Welwyn Hatfield's. You don't have the individual vote count on here (and refs are needed), but that's hardly a big loss for district council-level results imo. No analysis is ever provided on these pages or from reliable sources. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 22:21, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- You could say the same about a vast number of articles on Wikipedia which will likely never expand beyond stubs e.g. Frank McNally (American football), Frau Sorge, Feernic, Magnolia fistulosa, Christian Evangelical Church in Bolaang Mongondow, MonoUML, N-acetylglucosaminyl-proteoglycan 4-beta-glucuronosyltransferase, Le gri-gri du Niokolo-Koba, Quarters 17 (Fort Monroe), etc.
- That is what Wikipedia is- a volunteer-driven website with a large amount of niche information. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to remove that information; it's far better to focus on adding information than removing it. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 23:20, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- I think both of you make interesting points. On the one hand, I think this is information we can have around here (as Chessrat points, even some of this information being niche does not mean this is not interesting/useful/worth being included in Wikipedia). On the other hand, it is different to have this information around in Wikipedia, than to have a stand-alone article for each of these elections. I feel like many of these articles are created out of just purely WP:OTHERSTUFF reasons, i.e. some people see some of these exist, so they create more, thus making the wheel grow indefinitely. But as RandomEditsForWhenIRemember says, most of them are just "an election happened, here's the results copied and pasted from this source".
- Some examples: City of Doncaster is the 44th English district by population. North Tyneside is the 92nd. Hertfordshire as a whole may merit an article on elections held in its area, but we have articles for every of its city/county/borough councils, which individually are not even among the 100 or even 200 most populated English districts. There are dozens of examples like this. Do all of them meet WP:NEVENT? Do all of them receive a coverage that demonstrates a lasting significance/effects or a significant impact over a wide geographical scope, so as to merit a stand-alone article each?
- Note that being a stub is not, by itself, a reason to delete. The key difference here is that we have some articles that are way beyond being stubs but that may still, by themselves, be unnecessary. Impru20talk 08:20, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how a population-based threshold makes any sense at all. A guideline based on that would mean a county/district which used to be more populous would have articles on past elections but not on more recent elections after dropping below the threshold. This seems to me like a case of looking for a problem where one doesn't exist. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 17:11, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- I did not mention a particular threshold, I mentioned particular notability of any of these. Population may just be indicative. WP:GNG and WP:NEVENT are a fairly solid threshold, though. How do these articles meet them? Do all of them receive a coverage that demonstrates a lasting significance/effects or a significant impact over a wide geographical scope, so as to merit a stand-alone article each? Impru20talk 17:24, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- Generally speaking council elections are all reported on a fairly equal level amount in the news, so I really think it's a case of "have all of them or none of them".
- The only clearly different type of elections in terms of coverage are parish council elections, which get far less media coverage and which likely wouldn't warrant standalone articles. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 19:15, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- That seems more a case for a general article about all of them than justifying having an individual article for each of them. Impru20talk 07:08, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- Surely that would hit the size limit though? 2026 Southwark London Borough Council election for instance is 71kb. Not only would a combined article be the longest on Wikipedia by far, but I think it would hit technical limits. I don't see any way merging is a viable option. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 11:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- Why would the coverage of such election need 71kB worth of information, though? Impru20talk 13:44, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how you would really trim it down. You could move the ward results into the ward articles like Borough and Bankside but all that would do is significantly decrease readability for the average reader. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 01:06, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Why are ward results even necessary? Is such local election so relevant in terms of WP:NEVENT to merit: 1) a stand-alone article; 2) detailed coverage spanning 71kB; 3) specific coverage to results by ward? Impru20talk 07:21, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- It's something I do wonder about myself to be honest. As we were saying earlier, it feels when we're at that level of examination, it's mostly an exercise of copying and pasting from the primary source. Satisfying to do, and looks pretty in table format, but is this info actually ever useful? In fact, I think the vast majority of these pages (and especially the ward results) fail WP:PRIMARY since they're nearly entirely based on reporting around the time of the election and then no analysis or lookbacks is ever added to the page... probably because it doesn't exist, since they're low level council results. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 16:02, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- @RandomEditsForWhenIRemember: There are generally plenty of articles which report on election results for years after the election in question. The reason the analysis isn't added is largely because there aren't enough editors contributing that content to the article.
- If you'd like to add more analysis/lookbacks to the article, here are several secondary sources for starters: https://towerhamletsslice.co.uk/borough/tower-hamlets-2026-election-results-lutfur-rahman-wins-third-term/ https://spectator.com/article/with-a-shudder-im-voting-labour-in-the-local-elections/ https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/mayor-lutfur-rahman-tower-hamlets-council-local-elections-fraud-b1282193.html https://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2026/05/local-elections-lutfur-rahman-triumphs-again-in-tower-hamlets/ https://www.meforum.org/fwi/fwi-research/tower-hamlets-a-sectarian-fiefdom-in-heart-of-london https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2026/05/09/aspire-lutfur-rahman-re-elected/ https://towerhamletsslice.co.uk/borough/mayor-luftur-rahman-push-high-dense-developments-plans/
- Would appreciate any help in doing so as of course writing articles is time consuming! Chessrat (talk, contributions) 03:38, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
There are generally plenty of articles which report on election results for years after the election in question
WP:OTHERSTUFF (note that the same problems affecting this article do actually affect multiple other articles). On this election, you are providing some sources that indeed prove that this is verifiable; however, you are still to answer the key question on how this topic meets WP:NEVENT for meriting a stand-alone article. These certainly do not demonstrate the topic having a lasting significance/effects or a significant impact over a wide geographical scope, and merely being verifiable just means it may be eligible for inclusion in an article about local elections in general. Why do we need coverage of results by ward of this particular local election? Why do we need 71kB worth of information about this particular local election? These questions (which I keep insisting on) are still being left unanswered. Impru20talk 07:16, 12 June 2026 (UTC)- This mayoral election (the subject of this discussion) has an article 10kb long and does not have ward level results long. If you'd like to discuss local council elections (i.e. not this mayoral election) I think a different place would be best for that discussion- most likely a centralized discussion elsewhere- rather than dragging this discussion onto something it isn't. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 12:58, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- Granted, that specific bit (ward/71kB-issues) referred to a different article (2026 Southwark London Borough Council election) that you brought into this discussion. Now, since we are discussing THIS article, can you actually answer any of the aforementioned questions about THIS article? I feel like we are going around in circles and you are deliberately ignoring to respond how this article meets NEVENT other than keeping responding that "other articles exist" (at which point, you feel comfortable discussing other articles rather than this one). Please, answer why does THIS article deserve to exist as a stand-alone article. Impru20talk 13:05, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- The main reason, I think, is that it is simply easier for readers to be able to access information in a standalone article and there is little benefit to them of having information about different elections bundled together into one article.
- There has been a longstanding de facto consensus for the entirety of Wikipedia's history that election articles tend to exist as standalone articles rather than merged into other articles. This is the case for basically every election anywhere in the world e.g. 1992 Davao City local elections, 1917 Western Australian state election.
- The editor who started this discussion has made it clear that their intention is to have this discussion serve as a wider proxy discussion for the existence of standalone election articles- but the vast majority of editors to election-related articles will be completely unaware that this one discussion exists and that there are people wanting to treat it as a much broader way to create consensus by proxy.
- Simply put I don't believe this AfD is an appropriate way of going about seeking a much broader change to the way elections have been reported on Wikipedia for decades. It's best that that happens in a centralized location with an RfC like Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums, to get a wider consensus from a much broader number of editors on how WP:NEVENT should relate to election articles generally. Otherwise it will only end up leading to a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS where articles about different elections in different countries are treated differently for no clear reason.
- This is a major proposal and needs to be done somewhere that will be seen by more than five people. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 15:34, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- Amusing to note that one of the examples you mention, 1992 Davao City local elections contains a mayoral election as well as geographical council seats, to no apparent detriment to the article. Morwen (talk) 15:40, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- Granted, that specific bit (ward/71kB-issues) referred to a different article (2026 Southwark London Borough Council election) that you brought into this discussion. Now, since we are discussing THIS article, can you actually answer any of the aforementioned questions about THIS article? I feel like we are going around in circles and you are deliberately ignoring to respond how this article meets NEVENT other than keeping responding that "other articles exist" (at which point, you feel comfortable discussing other articles rather than this one). Please, answer why does THIS article deserve to exist as a stand-alone article. Impru20talk 13:05, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- This mayoral election (the subject of this discussion) has an article 10kb long and does not have ward level results long. If you'd like to discuss local council elections (i.e. not this mayoral election) I think a different place would be best for that discussion- most likely a centralized discussion elsewhere- rather than dragging this discussion onto something it isn't. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 12:58, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- It's something I do wonder about myself to be honest. As we were saying earlier, it feels when we're at that level of examination, it's mostly an exercise of copying and pasting from the primary source. Satisfying to do, and looks pretty in table format, but is this info actually ever useful? In fact, I think the vast majority of these pages (and especially the ward results) fail WP:PRIMARY since they're nearly entirely based on reporting around the time of the election and then no analysis or lookbacks is ever added to the page... probably because it doesn't exist, since they're low level council results. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 16:02, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Why are ward results even necessary? Is such local election so relevant in terms of WP:NEVENT to merit: 1) a stand-alone article; 2) detailed coverage spanning 71kB; 3) specific coverage to results by ward? Impru20talk 07:21, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how you would really trim it down. You could move the ward results into the ward articles like Borough and Bankside but all that would do is significantly decrease readability for the average reader. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 01:06, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Why would the coverage of such election need 71kB worth of information, though? Impru20talk 13:44, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- Surely that would hit the size limit though? 2026 Southwark London Borough Council election for instance is 71kb. Not only would a combined article be the longest on Wikipedia by far, but I think it would hit technical limits. I don't see any way merging is a viable option. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 11:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- The fun fact, Chessrat, is that this AfD is on this article. Whenever you are asked to defend the merits of this article, you keep resorting to other articles existing/what is done elsewhere. But, when you are confronted with inconsistencies in those articles as well, you then resort to argue that the subject of this discussion is this article. Point is, you are seemingly unable to explain why this subject merits an independent article. As a last ditch effort, you came again with other stuff by citing 1992 Davao City local elections, which is an article that actually merges both mayoral and city council elections into a single article (thus, it actually proves the point of the AfD, not yours). By this point, I think the case in favour of the merge is fairly straightforward. Impru20talk 16:00, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- But the people arguing for this article to be merged are doing so based upon interpreting WP:NEVENT in a broader manner than it has always been interpreted until now. They are arguing for a longstanding consensus to be changed.
- For this article specifically, this article is entirely in line with current practice on Wikipedia of having mayoral election articles be separate. Bringing up precedent from other articles is completely appropriate for that reason. 2025 New York City Council election is a different article to 2025 New York City mayoral election and Mayor of New York City. 2024 London mayoral election is a different article to 2024 London Assembly election and Mayor of London.
- If you would like to have a discussion about changing the way WP:NEVENT is applied more broadly when it comes to articles about mayoral elections, by all means to do. This AfD is not such a broader discussion, it is about a single election, and therefore there is no basis for treating this mayoral election differently to other mayoral elections. All mayoral elections, this one included, have large amounts of media coverage at the time and then not as much in years later.
- To be clear because I haven't outright stated yet, keep. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 18:36, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- That is simply not true. I have participated in AfDs where NEVENT is interpreted in a fairly stricter way. I am occasionally witness (and participant) to AfD discussions aiming to outrightly delete election articles for much less than the reasons proposed for a merge (not a deletion) here. Indeed, some people may have individually taken to themselves a too flexible interpretation of NEVENT to the point they make it basically pointless, but that is not how it works. If we are to diagnose a problem here, that is not of how NEVENT works or is intended to work, but how individual users consider that almost every city council election must have its own stand-alone article (sometimes, without even taking NEVENT into account and/or knowing of its existence when creating these). And because "other stuff exists", this is just replicated.
- Now here, we are in a case where an article can be perfectly merged into another one without issue, where there is even precedent (provided by yourself, too) where this is done. Some other cases may be more complex, I do not think it is for this one at this point.
- P.S. Just to contextualize things, you are now comparing large metropolises such as New York and London (which by themselves may be entitled to a different consideration under NEVENT) to an election in a borough. Though, to be fair, it is just telling that every argument you keep providing is based on WP:OTHERSTUFF. Impru20talk 07:28, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
- I'm really not sure why you keep quoting WP:OTHERSTUFF when literally the main precedent for what articles exist is based on what is done for similar articles.
- I have provided numerous examples of standalone election articles existing (even including 2026 Croydon mayoral election which had a failed merger proposal only a week ago!) but it seems like you are completely insistent on ignoring all precedent and want to treat this particular article to be treated differently for no clear reason. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 11:04, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
- That seems more a case for a general article about all of them than justifying having an individual article for each of them. Impru20talk 07:08, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- I did not mention a particular threshold, I mentioned particular notability of any of these. Population may just be indicative. WP:GNG and WP:NEVENT are a fairly solid threshold, though. How do these articles meet them? Do all of them receive a coverage that demonstrates a lasting significance/effects or a significant impact over a wide geographical scope, so as to merit a stand-alone article each? Impru20talk 17:24, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how a population-based threshold makes any sense at all. A guideline based on that would mean a county/district which used to be more populous would have articles on past elections but not on more recent elections after dropping below the threshold. This seems to me like a case of looking for a problem where one doesn't exist. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 17:11, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- I am interested here in knowing: is there a particular rule or consensus for UK elections to be covered like this in Wikipedia? If so, where can I find it? The amount of articles covering smaller city/council elections in the UK is staggering. Yes, having separate articles may make it easier to cover them in detail, but Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and this looks like almost every city/council election is having an article. Why is this level of detail even needed? Impru20talk 21:54, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Having separate articles makes it easier to cover articles in more detail (e.g. the 2026 Croydon mayoral election article contains results by constituency). Most UK elections are covered in separate articles and it seems to be an exception to the rule that that wasn't done for most mayoral elections until recently (with a few exceptions like 2025 North Tyneside mayoral election and 2009 Doncaster mayoral election). Chessrat (talk, contributions) 21:46, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks Chessrat, I wasn't aware of that one. I'd say the target merge point makes it a little different, albeit slightly. Putting this page with the rest of the Mayor of X results is consistent with the other mayor results and is only one extra table, whereas I'd agree adding this to the 2026 Tower Hamlets London Borough Council election would be a bit messy and isn't intuitive to find. Plus, it's been a month since the local elections whereas that proposal happened while the dust was still setting on them, and this page has barely been touched in that time with no interesting fallout being documented. Or to put it another way - outside of a one liner note to say this was held under FPTP, what exactly about this year's election requires its own page, when the previous mayor elections for Tower Hamlets have not needed to be split out? RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 21:38, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Comment Slightly surprised to see this article didn't actually mention who was elected, a month later. (well, apart from the infobox). Morwen (talk) 21:36, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Good spot, as it turns out Lewisham doesn't either (edit: Which is arguably worse since a new mayor was elected!)... I'll fix that. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 21:44, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Merge (either to Mayor of Tower Hamlets; to Mayoral elections in Tower Hamlets; or something along these lines); if not, outright delete. The nom makes a sensible approach that has not been addressed by other comments (nor was seemingly addressed in the cited Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2026 Croydon mayoral election), which is: why does this topic merit a stand-alone article on its own? Just being a different election does not merit that; we have lots of precedents or articles covering multiple elections. Further, London Borough of Tower Hamlets is the 36th English district by population. Indeed, there are some sources on this subject, but I fail to see how these meet WP:GNG, WP:NEVENT (particularly, WP:LASTING and WP:GEOSCOPE) and WP:SIGCOV, and just because something is verifiable does not mean that it merits a stand-alone article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This (and many other local elections) can be easily covered under other articles for simplicity's sake. Impru20talk 21:51, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- Keep Electoral results are notable and articles like this should be expanded and updated rather than deleted. We've had these discussions for twenty-odd years and ultimately there is a sizable enough UK politics editorial team who work hard to provide democratic results and news, such as this article and thousands like them. doktorb wordsdeeds 03:42, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- There definitely is a bit team that work on these, but I don't think that alone justifies this page not being merged. This argument doesn't cover my base argument that it could easily be merged into Mayor of Tower Hamlets with nothing being lost. Otherwise why hasn't the editoral team seen the need for a 2014 Tower Hamlets mayoral election page, or one for the other elections? RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 16:05, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Merge to 2026 Tower Hamlets London Borough Council election. No point in having two separate articles about an election to the same body. The mayor is mayor of the council, so I don't think the title of the proposed merge target is an issue. Cheers, Number 57 19:21, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
- Merge to 2026 Tower Hamlets London Borough Council election. If that ever develops a subsection that's long enough warrant splitting out, I'm absolutely OK with us doing that. At the moment, it's not. This article has three sentences that are about this election specifically. It's a lovely infobox but an infobox does not make an article. Morwen (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Morwen: I have just added more content to the article surrounding the campaign and aftermath. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 19:25, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
- This is not an issue with content size, and attempting to make the article larger just to see if it may avoid a merge does not seem particularly helpful. Impru20talk 07:30, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
- Morwen said that it was an issue with content size, which is why I thought it was pertinent to inform them. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 10:57, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
- This is not an issue with content size, and attempting to make the article larger just to see if it may avoid a merge does not seem particularly helpful. Impru20talk 07:30, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Morwen: I have just added more content to the article surrounding the campaign and aftermath. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 19:25, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
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