Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flower (skunk from Bambi)

Flower (skunk from Bambi)

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Not notable as a standalone character - the sources are either simple routine listings or not about the character at all - the only source that appears to be is really just an interview with the voice actor. Unable to find anything significant on a BEFORE. Flower (Bambi) is already a redirect, and this article title is not viable as one. CoconutOctopus talk 12:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Comics and animation, and Disney. CoconutOctopus talk 12:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Note that Flower (Bambi) is effectively salted. If this afd results in a keep, I suggest histmerge into the redirect and unlock the article. – robertsky (talk) 12:57, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

If it is kept as a redirect, I suggest histmerge as well but maintain the salt. – robertsky (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Beeblebrox, the admin protecting the redirect at the proper name, is still active. Since this is editing around a protected redirect, I recommend it be speedily draftified with no redirect while we decide if we want it or not. Jclemens (talk) 03:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

  Given the sourcing found and the fact that my original comment is no longer timely, I recommend it be moved to Flower (Bambi). Jclemens (talk) 20:37, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to the list of Bambi characters or such. Right now this is just a plot summary+list of apperances, no evidence he meets WP:GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

  I'm not convinced the article title is a valid redirect, and the shortened form already is one CoconutOctopus talk 16:34, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - The current article is nothing but plot summaries of the films and a list of "appearances" that is little more than trivia, and searches are not turning up enough significant coverage in reliable sources for the character to pass the WP:GNG. Flower (Bambi) already redirects to the first film, and I cannot imagine this particular title being a plausible enough search term for a redirect to actually be useful in this case. Rorshacma (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment The previews of the Google Scholar search look pretty promising with regard to non-trivial coverage, but I have no access to full articles. Has anyone checked them out yet when drawing their conclusions? Daranios (talk) 17:36, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

  Looking through what I could access in the Wikipedia Library, most of them are brief mentions of Flower in the context of "Bambi, with his friends Flower and Thumper... etc." However, "When will my reflection show who I am inside?": Queering Disney Fantasy" has significant coverage of Flower as a queer character and "Man is in the Forest: Humans and Nature in Bambi and The Lion King" has a shorter paragraph about it as well. I only looked through the first 1.5 pages of the search results though, so someone with more free time might be able to find more. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 17:14, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you for this, @Schützenpanzer! I actually just earned/gained access to the Wikipedia Library. Appreciated! Sven's carrots (talk) 22:27, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment First contributor/author of this. Looking at the history of the article... it was reviewed 25 days ago by a Wikipedian (presumably) as a part of New Pages Patrol. Shortly after said review, the article got significantly reduced down to a vignette or digest level, most likely why it got decked with the plot summary, notability, and urge to delete templates/notices. I can restore this article back to the state before review time. Give about 24 hours. Sven's carrots (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

  Restore is done with a few updates. Sven's carrots (talk) 14:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep and probably move back to Flower (Bambi). Some improvements have already been made. With the existing sources, the found "When will my reflection show who I am inside?": Queering Disney Fantasy", and a number of shorter but non-trivial scholarly sources I believe a full article can be written. (Like Gender and Ideology in Disney's Beast Fables, ANIMATION, WORLD WAR II or The Gospel according to Disney.) Therefore this is a notable topic after all. Daranios (talk) 09:56, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

  If it is kept I agree it should absolutely be moved back to Flower (Bambi) - as robertsky has suggested that will need an admin to histmerge and move into the salted title. CoconutOctopus talk 10:18, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Now that new sources have been found, I think it's a keep. Also move as suggested above. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 15:52, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Keep: I have added copy regarding the subject's evolving character and maturation, which leverages the newly discovered sources. I also support the move that's suggested above. Sven's carrots (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Needless to say, hoping my copy addition inspires even better writing on the subject's character. Sven's carrots (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

• Admin note: Non-admin closure undone per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 June 15. Sandstein 16:08, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep (inserting myself before this closes) per WP:HEY; the changes to the article includes the addition of sources that establishes the notability of the subject. ToadetteEdit (talk) 16:21, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

• Merge to Bambi page or delete as trivia. Example of said trivia:

• Film appearances of "Flower"
• Which theme parks you can see "Flower"
• "Flower" appeared in Lego Disney Princess: The Castle Quest, House of Mouse, and Once Upon a Studio.

Yes you can find N or more sources for such trivia, but WP:NOT tells us to not create article or even a subsection out of it. Historyexpert2 (talk) 19:55, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, voorts (talk/contributions) 21:56, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

@Historyexpert2: Your critique seems to be aimed at the current state of the article. In your !vote, did you also consider the secondary sources listed above, which contain different forms of commentary? Daranios (talk) 15:26, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep and move to Flower (Bambi) at the moment. The current disambiguator is absolutely dreadful. Go D. Usopp (talk) 03:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Above sources show that GNG is clearly met. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 14:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Keep per above arguments. Subject meets WP:GNG. Madeleine (talk) 17:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm unimpressed at the title gaming to circumvent the protection on Flower (Bambi), but we are where we are. If kept, it should be moved to the latter title. Stifle (talk) 07:44, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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