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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 20:19, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
Hubie Smith
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I could not find wide secondary coverage regarding this individual. Only primary database sources and community newspaper postings. Historyexpert2 (talk) 01:24, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Historyexpert2 (talk) 01:24, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Basketball, and Tennessee. Shellwood (talk) 01:33, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
- del - no in-depth coverage, also fails WP:NCOLLATH. --Altenmann >talk 02:08, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
- Delete lacks the real WP:SIGCOV needed for WP:ANYBIO to be kept. Possibly redirect to one of the schools with most championships. If we end up going that direction and we can decide on a redirect target, ping me please. Iljhgtn (they/them · talk) 03:11, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
CommentKeep — pass of WP:GNG. Subject is a TSSAA Hall of Famer with a historic record: 700+ wins, 7 state titles, and one of only three TN coaches to achieve a four-peat. Brentwood Academy's Hubie Smith, a seven-time state champ, retires as boys basketball coach, , and . EmilyR34 (talk) 06:28, 22 February 2026 (UTC)- WP:NCOACH does not exist. Historyexpert2 (talk) 15:10, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- This user modified their comment to remove mention of nonexistent essay. Historyexpert2 (talk) 04:57, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:GNG with sources already in the article, and a multitude available. He's the only coach to have won state titles in both men's and women's basketball. He's won titles at three different schools, and is a member of the TSSAA hall of fame.Jacona (talk) 19:15, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- As a further comment, the nom states "Only primary database sources and community newspaper postings". The first page of google results when I searched included in-depth articles in USA Today and the Tennesseean. , , . The Commercial Appeal in Memphis, TN, the leading paper in that market also has many, many articles about Smith. — Jacona (talk) 19:25, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- Delete High school basketball coach with local high school coverage. Best, GPL93 (talk) 23:28, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
- Keep passes GNG. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:57, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
- This is all local high school coverage, though. The "USA Today" coverage is USATodayHHS, which in part is a collection of High School sports stories from USA Today Co./Gannett-owned newspapers (which includes the The Tennessean). This is an article about a high school basketball coach and therefore WP:YOUNGATH likely applies given the lack of actual consistent national coverage. I would also note that a high school coach being part of his state's high school athletic association hall of fame is not an WP:ANYBIO pass, particularly when you consider that they can be inducted into the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame. The argument to keep is that the subject was a longtime successful high school coach in the Nashville metropolitan area, and I don't think meets the standards for an International encyclopedia. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- GPL93, "The argument to keep is that the subject was a longtime successful coach in the Nashville metropolitan area". I must respectfully disagree with that statement. He won 7 state championships at 3 schools. Six of these were in the Nashville area; the other was halfway across the state at Bartlett High School in Memphis. He's in the Tennessee State Hall of fame as a coach. He is the only coach to have won TN state titles in both girls and boys basketball. There's coverage in Mississippi and Arkansas papers as well. Less useful information exists about him as a player in Memphis and Arkansas publications, and about his college level coaching at U of Memphis, Belmont, and Lipscomb. He was a first-team NAIA Academic All-American in both golf and basketball. There is significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. — Jacona (talk) 19:46, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- One of the US STATE titles being "Halfway across the state" is still not notability supporting. Being an Academic All-American is not a BIO pass for NCAA Division I let alone NAIA. Allowing a high school coach who has some coverage from their high school and college (again local coverage to boot) opens the door for literally THOUSANDS OF US HIGH SCHOOL COACHES to meet notability standards. If there was a New York Times or an old-school Sports Illustrated article on Smith, maybe, but we have no such coverage. If Smith is finalist for the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, he might be notable but otherwise I think no. Best, GPL93 (talk) 03:10, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
- GPL93, The point of the "halfway across the state" comment was to point out that the comment that he was merely a coach in the Nashville area was false, whether a mistake or an intentional falsehood, only the original writer can know. As to the assertions above, I will address the "literally THOUSANDS OF US HIGH SCHOOL COACHES comment." Have thousands of US high school coaches won 7 state championships (probably) in both womens and mens (unlikely) at 3 schools, including four championships in a row? The number is more likely around 5, and I would be surprised if they don't have articles. — Jacona (talk) 10:56, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
- Additionally, I would encourage editors considering a vote on re-reading the general notability guideline, especially the portion on significant coverage. There is no reason that a sports illustrated article is required. Local coverage, so long as it is independent of the subject, can certainly fill the bill. In this case, there is an abundance of coverage in large regional newspapers, in stark contrast to the nomination, which claims there are "Only primary database sources and community newspaper postings". Are the Tennessean and the Commercial Appeal (along with USA Today and the dozens of other publications) found in a rudimentary search "primary databases" or "community newspaper postings"? If that is true, there are no legitimate newspapers in the state of Tennessee as they are the two largest in the state. — Jacona (talk) 11:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
- Mayors have countless regionally scoped papers about them but no Wikipedia article. Historyexpert2 (talk) 22:23, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
- One of the US STATE titles being "Halfway across the state" is still not notability supporting. Being an Academic All-American is not a BIO pass for NCAA Division I let alone NAIA. Allowing a high school coach who has some coverage from their high school and college (again local coverage to boot) opens the door for literally THOUSANDS OF US HIGH SCHOOL COACHES to meet notability standards. If there was a New York Times or an old-school Sports Illustrated article on Smith, maybe, but we have no such coverage. If Smith is finalist for the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, he might be notable but otherwise I think no. Best, GPL93 (talk) 03:10, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
- GPL93, "The argument to keep is that the subject was a longtime successful coach in the Nashville metropolitan area". I must respectfully disagree with that statement. He won 7 state championships at 3 schools. Six of these were in the Nashville area; the other was halfway across the state at Bartlett High School in Memphis. He's in the Tennessee State Hall of fame as a coach. He is the only coach to have won TN state titles in both girls and boys basketball. There's coverage in Mississippi and Arkansas papers as well. Less useful information exists about him as a player in Memphis and Arkansas publications, and about his college level coaching at U of Memphis, Belmont, and Lipscomb. He was a first-team NAIA Academic All-American in both golf and basketball. There is significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. — Jacona (talk) 19:46, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- This is all local high school coverage, though. The "USA Today" coverage is USATodayHHS, which in part is a collection of High School sports stories from USA Today Co./Gannett-owned newspapers (which includes the The Tennessean). This is an article about a high school basketball coach and therefore WP:YOUNGATH likely applies given the lack of actual consistent national coverage. I would also note that a high school coach being part of his state's high school athletic association hall of fame is not an WP:ANYBIO pass, particularly when you consider that they can be inducted into the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame. The argument to keep is that the subject was a longtime successful high school coach in the Nashville metropolitan area, and I don't think meets the standards for an International encyclopedia. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- Keep- as per points suggested above demonstrating the notability of the subject, please have the verifiable SIGCOV sources added to the article.Lorraine Crane (talk) 06:03, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
- Keep- The sources on the article aren't great, but my fellow editors did a great job finding the sources mentioned above, that convinced me the article is a keeper. Happy to help incorporate the sources if it survives. Please ping me. ScottyNolan (talk) 21:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
- Keep per WikiOriginal-9 and Jacona. WP:GNG is clearly met here by the evidence presented. Being in a state hall of fame indicates this is not your typical high school coach as well. He's clearly encyclopedic.4meter4 (talk) 06:03, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
- Keep. Coverage in The Tennessean and USAToday is enough to fulfill the GNG coverage requirements. Not sure why this was re-listed. nf utvol (talk) 14:44, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Comment - I think it is in direct reference to WP:GNG in fact:
"Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not, particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.
- Multiple people have expressed concern that the sourcing is local (like a high school principal, mayor, etc) and so does not usually belong on a standalone Wikipedia article according to WP:NOT.
- A source analysis would be helpful to establish that this is a non-local, non WP:MILL standalone topic. Historyexpert2 (talk) 17:27, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Keep WP:ITSLOCAL is an argument to avoid. Kelob2678 (talk) 10:02, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
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