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Samson Olayide

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Article does not cite any sources. I didn't find anything on Google so unless someone can find sources using something else, this article shouldn't exist. guninvalid (talk) 14:55, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: @Reading Beans guninvalid (talk) 14:57, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Nigeria. Shellwood (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: Meets WP:NPROF#6 as the vicechancellor of University of Ibadan from 1979 to 1983. Again, deletion is not cleanup. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 15:49, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

  Deletion is not cleanup, sure, but at least from what I've been able to find, I don't see any way for it to be cleaned up. It's missing sources, and I can really only find one source that discusses them in any depth without just copy pasting someone else's article. guninvalid (talk) 15:58, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

  What are you talking about? Did you find sources about him being the VC of University of Ibadan for 4 years? If there are unsourced crufts, it can be trimmed into a stub with the available sources. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 16:04, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

  Please someone add at least one RS, otherwise we are forced to default to delete. The only reason I'm not tagging it with sticky {{prod blp}} is because the AFD clock will run out sooner. DMacks (talk) 17:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

  It doesn't sound like vice-chancellor is a "highest-level...administrative post". DMacks (talk) 17:10, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

  @DMacks, in Nigeria the vice-chancellor is the highest administrative post. The chancellor is just a ceremonial figure. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 17:16, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

+1. Shoerack (talk) 21:58, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

That sounds a lot like WP:OR. Please cite WP:RS. guninvalid (talk) 18:08, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

University of Nigeria Act. I’ll make out time to rewrite the article at my leisure. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 19:40, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying! DMacks (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Without sources none of the information in this article is verifiable, and notability cannot be established. I couldn't find any sources either, for what it's worth. Zygmeyer (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strong keep per WP:PROF#6. - I added a few sources that confirm he was indeed a Vice-Chancellor of a major academic institution in Nigeria, the University of Ibadan. Shoerack (talk) 21:56, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Citation record in GS is tiny. The claim that he received a DSc from University of London needs to be sourced. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:04, 31 January 2025 (UTC).
• Keep, per NPROF C6. JoelleJay (talk) 22:04, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: In Nigeria, the Vice-Chancellor is the administrative head of any university system. Therefore, this article passes WP:NPROF. Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Head of the oldest and (by some measures) best university in Nigeria is a clear pass of WP:PROF#C6. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:06, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Clearly meets WP:PROF#C6 through his vice-chancellorship. Qflib (talk) 18:44, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I would like to point out that this article about Mr. Olayide was written by User:Olayidw. Possible undisclosed WP:COI. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 08:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah. 11 years ago. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:48, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete outright. Subject distinctly fails WP:GNG as well as the tirelessly invoked ol' refuge of WP:PROF#C6. The University of Ibadan is not a "major academic institution" nor a "major academic society." -The Gnome (talk) 19:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

@The Gnome are you for real? The University of Ibadan is Nigeria’s premier university and is widely recognized as one of Africa’s top academic institutions. Perhaps there's a mix up somewhere, because I can't even imagine how you came to that conclusion. Idoghor Melody (talk) 21:52, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

This !vote is very laughable, I mean, I had to laugh seriously when I saw it and I can understand that it’s coming from a mixup or something of that sort. You are as a matter of fact, utterly incorrect in that assessment that Nigeria’s UI, the country’s foremost public university is not a “major academic institution”. It was very hard for me to type that. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:11, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Mehn, The Gnome? Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 22:41, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Changing my suggestion. See further down below. -The Gnome (talk) 14:23, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: We don’t need no GS citation record or whatever else, when we have a clear NPROF pass for being a previous UI VC. It is the burden of a AfD nominator to do their findings before resorting to an AfD discussion. This nomination is simply ridiculous. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:25, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: Per WP:NPROF, no long stories. Idoghor Melody (talk) 11:40, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment : Our subject "served as the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Ibadan from 1979 to 1983." The University of Ibadan's three top positions, according to the University's own website, are The Visitor, a honorific title currently bestowed to Nigeria's president Bola Ahmed Tinubu, the Chandcellor who serves as the top executive, and the Chairman of the University's Council.

WP:NPROF is crystal clear: Criterion 6 may be satisfied if the person has held the post of president or chancellor, or vice-chancellor in countries where this is the top academic post. And Olayide never held the top academic post in the University of Ibadan. -The Gnome (talk) 18:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

@The Gnome maybe you missed Mccapra's comment above echoing: In all universities in the UK and in countries which follow the UK model the Vice-Chancellor is the university “President” and senior academic/administrative figure. The Chancellor is the king/queen of head of state in commonwealth countries. This point has been covered repeatedly at different AfDs. Do you really still want to tow this direction? Maybe it's hard for you to understand what principal officers mean. Idoghor Melody (talk) 18:59, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

You want us to take the opinion of a Wikipedia editor or of a bunch of editors over what the University itself states in clear terms? I challenge anyone to provide sources that show Olayide held the top academic position of UI. Without sources to that effect, we only have noise. -The Gnome (talk) 19:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

At this point, there's no need engaging you. It's not worth the stress. Happy editing -- Idoghor Melody (talk) 19:10, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment if anyone wants to satisfy themselves that Samson Olayide was the university VC they can do a Google book search on “Samson olayide vice chancellor.” If anyone wants to be sure the university of Ibadan is a major institution, a quick search will demonstrate that it is the oldest public university in Nigeria. As to the role of Vice-Chancellor, we can start with the university’s own website and the link provided above by The Gnome, which shows there are three external, non academic grandees who hold the most senior non academic roles. If you look on the “Principal officers” page here you’ll see the Vice Chancellor at the top. Page 12 of Leadership and Management in Universities: Britain and Nigeria explains the VC is the Chief Executive of the institution. This source explains that the Chancellor’s role is ceremonial while this one explains how the appointment of a VC is politically controversial. Lastly there is a Nigerian national committee of Vice Chancellors () which I think shows what role they play in their institutions. Mccapra (talk) 20:23, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep for the reasons stated above. Mccapra (talk) 20:23, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: passes WP:PROF#6. Also based on the exchanges and reasons expressed above. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 00:36, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: I won't say much but it pains me when someone asserts that a University where Chinua Achebe studied; where Soyinka studied, etc is not notable. Please strongly keep this article, it meets WP:NACADEMIC. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:33, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: passes WP:NACADEMIC Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 12:36, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
• It is not shameful to admit one was wrong, but, at least to me, a professed fanatic for truth, it is quite shameful not to accept as much when one is confronted with evidence. Faced with a situation whereby so many people can't be all wrong, I repeated my humble search and have come to conclude that, yes, UI is a major educational institution as well as that Samson Olayide was top executive in UI. Therefore, and although in numerical terms this won't have much effect, I'm bound to change my suggestion to Keep. -The Gnome (talk) 14:23, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

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