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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 06:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

2013 Washington, Illinois tornado → 2013 Washington tornado2013 Washington tornado – more standardized name, confusion with the 2013 EF0 in the suburbs of DC is unlikely, and the event is referred to as "Washington Tornado" on the NWS Central Illinois summary page GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 06:22, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Support, just makes sense Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Note: WikiProject Illinois, WikiProject Severe weather, and WikiProject Weather have been notified of this discussion. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 06:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose per @Dekimasu Killuminator (talk) 07:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for same reasons as above. Jokullmusic 03:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Nominator: Hoguert (talk · contribs) 19:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 16:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)


Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Your writing has a major issue with comma splices: A lot of sentences sound like this, they continue on for several more clauses bound by commas, they lack punctuation and often should be two or three sentences. Half your battle is splitting long sentences that are incorrectly structured. There are a few places where the detail level seems just a touch over the top.

Copy changes

I would like to flag something at the top here. MOS:GEOCOMMA requires commas after city and state constructions. This article's title should be 2013 Washington, Illinois, tornado. GEOCOMMAs are also needed throughout the article.

General other notes:

  • Use {{convert}} for units of measurement. I have implemented this throughout the article to demonstrate.

Lead

  • This tornado was one of the two violent tornadoes in the Tornado outbreak of November 17, 2013 and was the strongest, costliest, and longest-tracked tornado Like GEOCOMMAs, there are also MOS:DATECOMMAs. This tornado was one of the two violent tornadoes in the tornado outbreak of November 17, 2013, and was the strongest, costliest, and longest-tracked tornado. This comma is needed even though the sentence structure otherwise does not call for it.
  • The intense supercell responsible for the tornado first produced at 10:59 am CDT 2.5 miles (4.0 km) of North Pekin, it crossed I-474, intensifying to a strong EF2 tornado. Comma splice. Change the comma after Pekin to a semicolon.
  • fluctuating between EF2-EF3 strength do fluctuating between EF2 and EF3 strength
  • As it entered Washington, the tornado became violent as some homes in the Woodridge Trace subdivision were leveled; the tornado continued northeast, destroying an apartment complex and leveling an auto parts store before intensifying to a peak intensity of 190 mph (310 km/h), numerous well-built homes were demolished, rows of houses were leveled and swept away. Break up. Try As it entered Washington, the tornado became violent as some homes in the Woodridge Trace subdivision were leveled; the tornado continued northeast, destroying an apartment complex and leveling an auto parts store before intensifying to a peak intensity of 190 mph (310 km/h). Numerous well-built homes were demolished, and rows of houses were leveled and swept away.
  • fluctuating between EF2 to EF3 strength and, not to

Meteorological setup

  • The development supercells and later squall lines was anticipated, and was also expected to impact the Mid-Atlantic states.
    • Missing "of" after "development".
    • The comma is unneeded. There is one subject. WP:CINS
  • The system associated with those storms was to track eastward and strengthen, as a result, the SPC also issued a Day 3 slight risk earlier on November 15 for a large swath of the Eastern United States in effect for November 17. The first comma should be a semicolon.
  • across the United States High Plains Given the context, I think just saying "High Plains" is fine.
  • Model data indicated the weakening of the capping inversion coinciding with increasing instability and wind shear, which would lead to the enhanced potential for storms and tornadoes as the night progressed, the low-level jet strengthened. The final comma should be replaced for "and".
  • The second half of this section needs some GEOCOMMAs.
  • Then at 10:52 am CDT, the supercell produced a strong but short-lived EF2 tornado over at Pekin, the tornado touched down north of State Highway 9, mainly uprooting trees and downing power lines before it crossed the Illinois River.
    • Comma after "then"
    • Split this sentence after "Pekin".
      •  Done Added the comma after "then" and split the sentence after Pekin Hoguert (Talk Page)
  • The tornado made it across the river into the residential side of Pekin. It rapidly strengthened to mid-range EF2 intensity roofs were ripped off of brick homes and an apartment complex suffered significant roof damage. A semicolon is needed after "intensity" and a comma after "homes".
  • Afterward, it weakened down, causing EF0-EF1 damage to trees and infrastructures before dissipating, the tornado was on the ground for two minutes and reached a width of 100 yards, no one died but ten people were injured by this tornado as well and $45 million in property damages. Major run-on issues. Try Afterward, it weakened down, causing EF0-EF1 damage to trees and infrastructures before dissipating. The tornado was on the ground for two minutes and reached a width of 100 yards; no one died, but the tornado caused ten injuries and $45 million in property damage.
  • After the dissipation of the Pekin tornado, the super-cell quickly recycled and soon dropped the Washington tornado. Needs to be cited.
  • It crossed E Reed Road where a home sustained minor roof damages at EF1 strength, a nearby metal building also received some damage to its roof and exterior walls.
    • American English generally requires periods for abbreviations: E., Rd., etc. I'd prefer "Road" spelled out.
    • Replace comma with semicolon.
      •  Done replaced every Rd with Road and replaced the comma with a semicolon Hoguert (Talk Page)
  • The tornado crossed Berta Rd, and along this road, it intensified to an EF2 tornado as a home suffered significant damage, crossing E Spring Rd, the tornado entered a subdivision of homes at mid-range EF2 strength, several homes in this subdivision either sustained partial roof loss, or the second story walls of the home collapsed. Another run-on. Try The tornado crossed Berta Road; along this road, it intensified to an EF2 as a home suffered significant damage. Crossing E. Spring Road, the tornado entered a subdivision of homes at mid-range EF2 strength; several homes in this subdivision either sustained partial roof loss or collapse of second-story walls.
  • An RV dealership had numerous vehicles damaged and flipped over, a two-story home had its roof ripped away, portions of the walls collapsed, a model home was shifted off its foundation and a manufactured home lost its roof. Reflow all punctuation: An RV dealership had numerous vehicles damaged and flipped over; a two-story home had its roof ripped away and portions of the walls collapsed; a model home was shifted off its foundation; and a manufactured home lost its roof.
  • As the tornado moved northeast approaching I-55, it caused widespread tree damage that occurred near the road, the tornado lifted northwest of Symerton at 12:33 pm CDT. Another comma splice. Split this sentence.

Tornado summary

  • "city proper of Washington" should be "city of Washington proper"
  • The tornado rapidly intensified to low-end EF4 strength leveling and partially sweeping away a couple of homes along English Oak St in the Woodridge Trace subdivision at 170 mph (270 km/h), Nearby homes suffered major structural damage, an 84-year-old U.S. army veteran suffered severe injuries here and later passed away from his injuries. Reflow punctuation to make this the two sentences it should be. The tornado rapidly intensified to low-end EF4 strengt,h leveling and partially sweeping away a couple of homes along English Oak St in the Woodridge Trace subdivision at 170 mph (270 km/h). Nearby homes suffered major structural damage; an 84-year-old man suffered severe injuries here and later died from his injuries.
    • Is it necessary to say he was a veteran?
    • Avoid "passed away" etc. in favor of "died": MOS:EUPH.
      •  Done Replaced U.S army veteran with "man" and "changed passed away" to "died" Hoguert (Talk Page)
  • New After crossing I-74, the tornado uprooted and snapped many trees, then intensified to mid-range EF3 intensity with wind speeds up to 150 mph (241 km/h), collapsing the roof of a house into the structure, leveling most of it. try After crossing I-74, the tornado uprooted and snapped many trees. It then intensified to mid-range EF3 intensity with wind speeds up to 150 mph (241 km/h), causing the roof of a house to collapse into itself.
  • The tornado intensified further to mid-range EF4 strength as it struck the Georgetown Commons apartment complex along Georgetown Rd, completely destroying the top two stories, other nearby apartment buildings suffered major roof damage, trees were completely blown down, a truck in the parking lot of the apartment complex was lifted and wrapped violently around a tree, further north of the complex along the same road, a Lagondola Spaghetti house sustained severe roof damage from the tornado, due to the heavy structural damage, the sixteen apartment buildings and restaurant were later torn down. (Stopping here for now — will come back later.)
    • This is a run-on sentence. The tornado intensified further to mid-range EF4 strength as it struck the Georgetown Commons apartment complex along Georgetown Road; the top two stories were destroyed, and nearby apartment buildings suffered major roof damage. A truck in the parking lot was lifted and wrapped violently around a tree. Sixteen apartment buildings and a nearby restaurant that also sustained heavy damage were torn down.
  • Now moving at 65 mph (105 km/h), the tornado directly hit the Hillcrest Golf course, the building on the course was leveled, the tornado shredded trees and tore off the carpeting on the mini golf course, the golf course was later rebuilt and reopened almost two years later. Try Now moving at 65 mph (105 km/h), the tornado directly hit the Hillcrest Golf Course, which was closed for nearly two years following the storm. A building on the course property was leveled as the tornado shredded trees and tore off the carpeting on the minigolf course.
  • The tornado crossed Washington Road into Washington Estates, sustaining estimated wind speeds of 180 mph (290 km/h), an Advance Auto Parts store alongside Washington Road was completely leveled by the tornado, multiple employees were inside when the building was flattened, but no one was injured.. Reflow punctuation: The tornado crossed Washington Road into Washington Estates, sustaining estimated wind speeds of 180 mph (290 km/h). An Advance Auto Parts store alongside Washington Road was leveled by the tornado; multiple employees were inside when the building was flattened, but no one was injured.
    • Also, "completely leveled" is redundant.
  • What does "wind-rowed" mean?
    • Windrowing is a damage pattern left behind by a tornado where debris is blown into highly convergent lines Hoguert (Talk Page)
  • The tornado continued to travel northeast, leveling or sweeping away more homes from their foundations before leaving the city proper of Washington after crossing W Cruger Road. Citation needed.
  • A farmstead on N Main St was destroyed and debris was partially swept off its foundation. Spell out "Street". Add comma after "destroyed"
  • I did a bunch here, but not all.
  • The tornado crossed I-39 and directly impacted the Road Ranger truck stop northwest of Minonk, overturning several semi-trucks and damaging hundreds of other vehicles, there were no fatalities but three truck drivers were injured. The tornado crossed I-39 and directly impacted the Road Ranger truck stop northwest of Minonk, overturning several semi-trucks and damaging hundreds of other vehicles; there were no fatalities, but three truck drivers were injured.
  • The tornado slightly weakened to high-end EF2, causing a home to lose its roof and the wall to partially collapse, cars were displaced a cell tower was completely crumpled and trees and power poles were snapped along Base Road before the tornado left Woodford county. Yet another run-on needing splitting. The tornado slightly weakened to high-end EF2, causing a home to lose its roof and the wall to partially collapse. Cars were displaced, a cell tower was completely crumpled, and trees and power poles were snapped along Base Road before the tornado left Woodford County.
  • The tornado maintained EF2 intensity as it stripped away a large portion of a home's roof along E 7th Road, small outbuildings were destroyed and several power poles were snapped, 1/2 mile west of Dana, a machinery shed was destroyed as the tornado weakened to EF1 strength. Try The tornado maintained EF2 intensity as it stripped away a large portion of a home's roof along E 7th Road. Small outbuildings were destroyed and several power poles were snapped. 0.5 miles (0.80 km) west of Dana, a machinery shed was destroyed as the tornado weakened to EF1 strength.
  • The tornado produced a satellite tornado, it was rated an EFU due to being in open fields, and it traveled for 2.6 miles (4.2 km). The main tornado caused extensive tree damage, a large shed containing a fire engine was destroyed and the fire engine tipped over onto its side, eventually, the tornado dissipated a few miles east of Long Point. Try The tornado produced a satellite tornado, rated an EFU due to being in open fields, which traveled for 2.6 miles (4.2 km). The main tornado caused extensive tree damage; a large shed containing a fire engine was destroyed, tipping the engine onto its side. The tornado dissipated a few miles east of Long Point.

Video documentation

  • Header should be sentence case (not "Video Documentation").
  • No need for the level-3 header.
  • And, frankly, no need for this section. There was a lot more video of this storm than this, and this might be undue.

Impacts

  • The first paragraph needs reflow, totally. Try
    • The tornado caused nearly $1 billion worth of damage, $800 million of that in Washington and another $110 million in East Peoria. Final estimates, revised upward twice, revealed 1,484 damaged or destroyed homes; in addition, businesses were destroyed in Washington and East Peoria. Though the tornado tracked through rural areas in Woodford County, it inflicted $25 million in damage and destroyed 7 of 24 affected homes. Thousands of residents were left homeless, and 23,000 people lost power.
    • Move the injury info to paragraph two. Three people died from the tornado, with another 125 injured; the OSF Saint Francis Medical Center and Methodist Medical Center, both in Peoria, treated dozens of patients.
  • Even though the tornado went through densely-populated neighborhoods, only three people died, and we won't know the definitive reason why the fatalities were low, it's believed that, 1. A potential for a high-end tornado outbreak was being talked about, leaving people prepared, 2. The tornado outbreak occurred on a Sunday when people were either at Church or shopping for the holiday season, so not many people were at home when the tornadoes struck, 3. People were at home when the tornadoes struck and had basements or storm shelters, 4. There were ways people received warnings, either through Television or Social Media. This sounds like conjecture. It really needs to be attributed in-text to the NWS. Try
    • National Weather Service forecasters attributed the low death toll to the already highly publicized threat of a tornado outbreak; people being away from their homes, either at church or shopping, on a Sunday morning; the local prevalence of basements or storm shelters for those at home; and increased dissemination of weather warnings.

Aftermath

  • I don't think it's necessary to say the president did not visit.
  • This section could use a restructure. First paragraph: governmental response. Second paragraph: relief organization response. Third paragraph: public relief drives.
  • President Obama never visited Washington but other politicians, like Governor of Illinois Pat Quinn and Illinois senator Dick Durbin, visited the city, Obama approved disaster funding for 15 counties in Illinois. Pat Quinn declared seven counties as disaster areas. Try State politicians including governor Pat Quinn and senator Dick Durbin visited Washington. President Barack Obama authorized disaster funding for 15 counties in Illinois, while Governor Quinn declared seven counties as disaster areas.
  • On December 19, 2013, the Illinois Emergency Management Agency requested federal assistance for the local governments in the nine counties that were ravaged by the tornadoes of November 17, this original request had $6.1 million in local government and electrical cooperative expenses, a few weeks later on January 9, 2014, FEMA sent a letter to the Illinois Emergency Management Agency, stating how the devastation in Washington wasn't "severe" enough for federal help and therefore they wouldn't provide any aid for the state. Split! On December 19, 2013, the Illinois Emergency Management Agency requested $6.1 million in federal assistance for the local governments and electrical cooperative in the nine counties affected by the tornadoes of November 17. FEMA responded on January 9, 2014, stating that the devastation in Washington was not "severe" enough to merit federal help.
  • FEMA also told the mayor and other state officials that the debris cleanup after the tornado was not going to be paid for by the federal government, FEMA also thought that the federal government didn't need to pay for the damages done to the roads, curbs, and sidewalks by vehicles helping to clear the street, FEMA would later say Illinois's damage assessments on the tornadoes wasn't qualified for any federal payment, Manier points out how broken the federal guidelines are when calculating damages. This is not a sentence. This is a paragraph.
  • Made some more tweaks here too.

Recovery

  • Nix the Maurer-Stutz item, which is basically just PR puff.
  • "(City Name) Strong" is so trite post-Boston 2013 that it's not worth bringing up.
  • Check the tense of "as of 2018"-type items that are stated in present tense.
  • Can we get 2020 Census figures?
    •  Done Removed the Maurer-Stutz statement, removed "Washington Strong", added the 2020 censusHoguert (Talk Page)

Sourcing and spot checks

  • 5: On Monday, a National Weather Service survey team confirmed the storm had winds of 170 mph to 190 mph, producing EF-4 damage, the agency said. Earlier, the weather service had said such a confirmation would make the tornado the most powerful November twister in the state since at least 1950. checkY
  • 15: AN INTENSE SUPERCELL OVER NWRN LIVINGSTON COUNTY IL HAS HAD A TORNADO CYCLONE EVIDENT IN RADAR IMAGERY FOR NEARLY 50 MILES. No mention of Brown County — can you help me with this? Other stuff checks out. checkY
    • I initially added it because nexrad radar showed the supercell starting in Brown County but I'm removing it since I can't find a source backing up my claim.Hoguert (Talk Page) — Preceding undated comment added 08:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
  • 17: Tornado damage in Pekin from NCEI. $45m in damage, 0 fatalities, 10 injuries. checkY
  • 35: An auto parts store with several people inside was reduced to a pile of bricks, metal and rebar; a battered car, its windshield impaled by a piece of lumber, was flung alongside it. Despite the devastation, all the employees managed to crawl out of the rubble unhurt, Pierce said. This checks out for everything except the name brand of the auto parts store, which should be removed or a ref added to prove. This is an AP wire article, so it is available from a not-unreliable source (i.e. not the New York Post). checkY
  • 42: About 100 vehicles were damaged, including several semi trucks at a truck stop north of Minonk. Three people were injured in overturned semi trucks. One cell tower was toppled and hundreds of power poles and trees were snapped. The damage viewer is not loading, but a few details match. checkY
  • 46: Information for the satellite tornado. checkY
  • 54: By the day after the tornado, Gov. Pat Quinn and U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin were there for visits as well, with U.S. Sen. Mark Kirk following not far behind. I added a mention of Kirk as having visited. checkY
  • 58: Ten firefighters and three vehicles assigned to the 182nd Airlift Wing responded to Washington, Ill., to help with search and recovery operations in the tornado damaged area. ... The 182nd Wing's firefighters searched and cleared 30 homes for possible victims checkY
  • 61: WQAD article on the Red Cross drive in Annawan. checkY
  • 87: A new handicapped-accessible restroom facility that also can serve as a tornado shelter capable of withstanding winds of 180 to 200 mph. The facility will replace a fenced portable toilet. Those wind speeds are consistent with high-end EF4 damage. checkY
  • New FEMA told the mayor and other state officials that the debris cleanup after the tornado was not going to be paid for by the federal government, FEMA also thought that the federal government did not need to pay for the damages done to the roads, curbs, and sidewalks by vehicles helping to clear the street. is too close to the Peoria Journal Star source . Reword.

Images

Most of the images are PD-USGov coming from various federal agencies, mostly the National Weather Service. There are two exceptions.

Wait, how about we wait until the review is concluded, if its not allowed in Wikipedia, I'll removed it Hoguert (talk) 23:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@Hoguert I am not confident given the facts of that case that it will be kept. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
But the Khoury image is said to be in the public domain since it was submitted to NWS, and any images submitted to them is automatically public domain Hoguert (talk) 07:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Okay, I'll let it stay for now, but it may need to go if the licensing review of this image finds against it. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Okay I'll remove it if review were against the photo Hoguert (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Encouragement (not required for GA status, don't need to do it now): Add descriptive alt text to these images.

Second round of changes, October 23

@Hoguert: Some more issues now that I'm out of the comma weeds: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Improve explanation of the radar images for general-audience understanding.
    •  Done Added in more of a detailed explanation for each of the radar images Hoguert (talk)
  • Move citations out of lead if the content with these citations is in the body. If not, add it there. Most of this would be damage totals.
  • This long-lived supercell produced five tornadoes along its 219-mile path, the strongest and longest-tracked tornado being the Washington, Illinois tornado. Needs citation.
    •  Done Removed the "along its 219-mile path" and replaced it with the places the 5 tornadoes touchdown, and source has been cited Hoguert (talk)
  • On December 19, 2013, the Illinois Emergency Management Agency requested $6.1 million federal assistance for the local governments and electrical cooperative in the nine counties that were affected by the tornadoes of November 17. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) responded on January 9, 2014, stating how the devastation in Washington was not "severe" enough to merit federal help. Governor Quinn and U.S. senators Dick Durbin and Mark Kirk voiced their disappointment in the decision. This lost a citation, possibly in editing — please restore.
  • Okay Hoguert, some last questions: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
    • What makes [22] Chris Riske, a storm chaser who isn't part of a larger organization, a reliable source?
      • I did added him because he had an engineering degree, but if that automatically doesn't make him reliable then I'll remove it. Hoguert (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:53, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
    • Can [66] the CauseIQ page for Washington Community Foundation be replaced?
      •  Done Source replaced Hoguert (talk), 06:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
    • I don't particularly like the McCormick Foundation release, but the facts it's being used for shouldn't be controversial.
      • Okay I'll keep it there Hoguert (talk) 06:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Bad move

I suggest that you revert the move adding the ",", as it breaks traditional tornado naming conventions and is not grammatically proper. SirMemeGod  14:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind. SirMemeGod  14:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 12 October 2025

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus seems largely split between alternatives to the current title, but from what I'm seeing, adding the comma proposed is generally against consensus. Hence, not moved. (non-admin closure) Thanks, Glasspalace (talk | contribs) 03:07, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

2013 Washington, Illinois tornado → 2013 Washington, Illinois, tornado2013 Washington, Illinois, tornado – Per MOS:GEOCOMMA, and the open FAC. Pinging @Amakuru, Hoguert, and UndercoverClassicist: if nothing else, an RM will at least settle this matter. Departure– (talk) 17:14, 12 October 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 10:43, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Preferably this would have waited till after the FAC (it's not a huge deal lol) but support per MOS:GEOCOMMA. Most votes at the previous RM did not address this policy. EF5 17:59, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
Support per EF5 (though I was the person who added the comma initially). UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:20, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
Oppose and instead propose Move to 2013 Washington tornado. Clearly the nominator hasn't looked at the proposed title to see how ridiculous it is. Is this about three different topic, Washington, Illinois and tornado, in the year 2013? The current title isn't ideal, but it's certainly more WP:RECOGNIZEable than the proposed one, which is hard for readers to parse. In other areas of the project there has been work to move to other titles that bypass this problem, for example with the title Rochester metropolitan area, New York rather than Rochester, New York metropolitan area and that works very well. Something like 2013 tornado in Washington, Illinois might do the job, or just omit the statename altogether as 2013 Washington tornado already redirects here and there aren't notable conflicting tornadoes in the more famous state of Washington or the city of Washington.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
I'm not going to address the meat of this vote as to avoid WP:BLUDGEONING but I strongly oppose "2013 tornado in Washington, Illinois" as a complete anomaly with the naming of tornado articles. If you look at List of individual tornadoes by year, none of them (>100) have the "in". EF5 13:38, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
I also want to quickly bring up that we really should just follow NCWWW instead of bringing in outside titles, lest we as a community want to risk a re-run of this, this, this, or this. I really don't want to touch that case with a ten foot pole. Departure– (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
Oppose Amakuru's proposal as inherently likely to be confused with a tornado in Washington DC or Washington state. Weak support the original proposed move. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:02, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Oppose because Talk:2011 Philadelphia, Mississippi tornado discussed the same move twice and it was unanimously voted against. Their reasoning was WP:IAR because the extra comma made the title clunky and awkward to read.
Also, looking up some articles discussing the tornado that contain "Illinois" or "IL" in the title, I found virtually all of them used only one comma or no commas at all. So in this case, I think its better to leave out the comma even if it is technically more correct to have two. Tetradisulfate (talk) 04:45, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Comment I'm not vote!ing yet on this matter, but if this MOS guideline applies to this article, it applies to all similarly-titled articles. That is, this might need to go to a more general RfC if it would affect multiple articles. We had an RfC on the titles of tornado outbreaks (I think it was in 2013) that covered essentially the same issue with commas. It was long, vehement, and ended up with a change from "[date] tornado outbreak" to "tornado outbreak of [date]" as the standard format for outbreak articles. Though I would not support such a format for individual articles. TornadoLGS (talk) 07:00, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Oppose because it just makes the title sound clunky and that it grammatically does not make sense at all. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 17:05, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Alternative proposal I propose Washington, Illinois tornado as the title. Stating that it is in Illinois, I think, is a necessary disambiguation. A person viewing the title "2013 Washington tornado" without prior knowledge would likely assume it refers to Washington D.C. and not a suburb in Illinois. However, since we don't have any other pages about tornadoes in Washington, Illinois, disambiguating by year is unnecessary.
As to the comma. I was inclined to support its inclusion; even though I sympathize with the people who find it awkward, it comes across as an WP:IDONTLIKEIT argument. However, the linked discussion to Talk: 2011 Philadelphia, Mississippi tornado and discussions mentioned there show how similar proposals of MOS:GEOCOMMA have failed, and a similar of outbreak article titles took a third option over MOS:DATECOMMA. So, at this point I think comma is a WP:SNOW/WP:DEADHORSE matter. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:56, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Clearly it isn't (as we have some more !votes now); note also that precedents aren't law and just because it hasn't been applied doesn't mean it shouldn't. Do you have interest in changing this comment into a !vote? Departure– (talk) 01:04, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
Yeah, I figure WP:SNOW doesn't apply, though WP:DEADHORSE may. I will go for a Weak Oppose on the comma for now for the sake of consistency between articles. One point of contention that does seems to have come up is whether MOS:GEOCOMMA applies to article titles, so perhaps there should be a discussion at Wikipedia Talk:Manual of Style on that matter. I could change to Support depending on the outcome there. TornadoLGS (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
  • Support: Saw this at FAC and immediately wondered about the issue of GEOCOMMA. I don't see a strong argument in makes the title sound clunky and that it grammatically does not make sense at all, as the MOS indicates the correct grammatical construction does utilize a second comma and clunkiness doesn't seem to matter when the words are all the same and in the same order. An IAR here seems a bit silly, given that there is a superior grammatical construction that has already been included in the MOS. I oppose any alternative proposals on the same grounds as Pppery. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:55, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. From what I've seen GEOCOMMA isn't usually applied to event titles, including weather event articles like 2011 Philadelphia, Mississippi tornado and 1867 Manhattan, Kansas earthquake. The GEOCOMMA example refers to sentence prose, which doesn't necessarily have to extend to article titles with disambiguators like the year and location. FallingGravity 00:46, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
  • Pinging @Dekimasu, @GeorgeMemulous, @Huwmanbeing, @Jokullmusic and @Killuminator from the last move discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 10:47, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
  • I support removing the year, and oppose adding the comma. Sources covering this tornado don't include the comma, and the closest precedent is 2011 Philadelphia, Mississippi tornado, where consensus was found against adding the comma. Remember occasional exceptions may apply? Here's one. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me! 11:42, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
Oppose per @Tetradisulfate and his example, the comma is just jarring and unnecessary. Killuminator (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Washington, Illinois tornado. This seems to be the only notable tornado that took place in Washington, Illinois as far as I know. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 00:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
    Per WP:NCWWW we should be including the year, unless the event is so well-known that a year is unnecessary. That doesn't apply here, so the 2013 needs to remain. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:15, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
I suppose the ultimate question to ask here is, should NCWWW be applied to all tornado articles; can the year be dropped, as it has at Greensburg tornado, Jarrell tornado, etc. at all? If so, how should the rest of the title be handled? The comma issue appears to be taking a bit of a backseat and many take prior consensus at the Philadelphia page as final. I suppose this issue of NCWWW should be a larger discussion at WikiProject Weather (assuming it's not an active volcano at this very second; last I checked the whole project was at AN/I, and last time NCWWW got so contentious on tornado articles it landed at ArbCom). Departure– (talk) 14:25, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
Years in the context of NCWWW is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (events)#NoYear, a centralized discussion that includes these articles. Departure– (talk) 15:05, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Wrongful closure?

This was closed way too fast and I do not agree with the closer’s argument as it was clearly along the lines of a 50/50 split. @Pro-anti-air: please carefully review the votes next time as your reasoning does not seem to align with what I see in this discussion at all. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 18:56, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I swear I got this thread from elapsed listings... --pro-anti-air ––>(talk)<–– 18:58, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
I will go into hiding from shame... bye --pro-anti-air ––>(talk)<–– 19:02, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
Note: WikiProject Illinois, WikiProject Severe weather, and WikiProject Weather have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 10:43, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Further comments

I think if a potential renomination were to happen, the following suggestions should be implemented:

I'm not sure this article meets criterion 1.c., particularly: "it is a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature...". I did some digging and found some high-quality sources that could be used:

Criterion 2.c. is not met as citations are not consistently formatted. For example, ref #49 is a dead link; ref #59 is also a dead link... In summary, you should check that every link is working, and if not, add an archived version of it. Some citations use the website's name, others use the website's URL: ref #43 uses "CIProud.com" instead of "WMBD-TV"...

The section "Washington, Illinois, supercell" could certainly be shortened as there is already an article on the outbreak itself (Tornado outbreak of November 17, 2013), and also because it strays a bit off the main topic of the Washington tornado (like I don't think this specific article needs a ~237 word parahraph on the Coal City tornado). And also perhaps, the section should be moved towards the end of the tornado summary as it talks about the subsequent events involving the supercell. The section could really benefit from "Wikipedia:Summary style" per criterion 4..

I don't see the relevance of including the "Possible EF5 intensity" section without more context. I know the 2025 study only provides a one-line mention of the Washington tornado, but the Wikipedia article never really tells us why this tornado merits the status as an "EF5 candidate", and without more explanation and context, its inclusion in this article feels out of place.

"Weaker construction" ≠ "poorly built".

"The tornado rapidly intensified to low-end EF4 strength as it entered the city of Washington, leveling and partially sweeping away a couple of homes along English Oak Street in the Woodridge Trace subdivision at 170 mph (270 km/h)." – This isn't verified in the cited source. In general, a complete check of all references should be done to verify that what you're stating in the article is verified in the reference that you're citing. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 15:35, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

@Aviationwikiflight Sorry that it took almost a month for me to notice this, but I have addressed the final issue about the sourcing of the English Oak Street GrenadinesDes (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
I feel stupid, but where could the other 3 suggested sources go? GrenadinesDes (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
Fixed those suggested sources, might go check more GrenadinesDes (talk) 20:52, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
Remove the 2025 study and renamed the section to "Case study" GrenadinesDes (talk) 20:53, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Two non-free images?

We have two non-free photos of this tornado. Per WP:NFCCP criterion 3a, there should not be more than one. We will need to decide on which one to keep. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:36, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I would favor keeping the Kris Lancaster screenshot, as it shows the tornado when it was at or near peak intensity and had its most notable impacts. In the other photo, near Roanoke, the fair-use rationale specifies that it is to be used in the infobox, but it is now in a section. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:56, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
Took this whole matter to FFD: Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2025 December 9#Non-free files at 2013 Washington, Illinois tornado. George Ho (talk) 20:28, 9 December 2025 (UTC)