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Why is the history subdivided by religion?

Why is the history subdivided by religion? I don't see articles of other ethnic groups or castes doing this. The Hindu, Muslim, Sikh divide should only be relevant when talking about religion. Otherwise, you should state the general history in chronological order, and let those curious about more details see the respective Muslim Jat and Sikh Jat page. A Hindu Jat page should also be made by that logic. Justthereply30 (talk) 07:41, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Yea, Hindu Jats deserve their own page. Right now, there is only content on Brajwasi Jats (without information on how they supported the faith in historically religiously-significant Mathura area). No details on Bishnoi Jats, or much of anything of Rajasthan or Haryana in general (except brief mention of Jangladesh). There is no talk of the major impact that Arya Samaj had on the Jats (there was a legitimate movement of Jats advocating for converting to Sikhism to escape Shudra status, so Dayananda Saraswati promised to advocate for them to be accepted as Kshatriya). There's also major Hindu figures like Tejaji, and he didn't even get a passing mention. Jiasu8d (talk) 02:36, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
I agree, but you will have to bring this to an admin. Justthereply30 (talk) 05:27, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
Also we miss a lot of nuance if we accept this Partition-affirming approach. For example, the rise of cults like Sultanism which were popular across religious lines. Or how some Punjabi Muslim Jats kept Purohits for ceremonial rites. Or how Hindu and Sikh Jats often intermixed, both on state-level (Jind Sikh princess marrying Ballabgarh Hindu prince) and common-level (Pacchade Sikhs mixing with Deshwali Hindus). Jiasu8d (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
You should note the sources for these. I also heard similar things but Wikipedia needs verifiable source to make claims. Then we can add this. Justthereply30 (talk) 05:27, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
To be honest there are some genetic differences between Muslim "Jutts" and Hindu/Sikh Jats, so it's not completely baseless. Even if you look at Muslim Jat#Demographics, it mentions how diverse the origins are. Exceptions exist for a few clans though. YaudheyanChariot932 (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

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The clan "Waince" is not included in the list of Jat clans, it should be included. Dreadolisk (talk) 06:35, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 11:17, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

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Etymology section is misleading, it only gives one theory and doesn't mention that it is disputed. It should still keep that information, but it needs to be rewritten:

The etymology of the Indo-Aryan term "Jat" (and its female form, "Jatni"[1]) is still debated. The different spelling variations are due to dialect differences: Hindi pronounces it as Jaat, Chardha Punjabi as Jatt, and Lahnda Punjabi as Jutt.

In much of Punjab, the term "Jat" was used as a socioeconomic label, roughly synonymous with peasant by the Mughal era.[2][3] In Sindh, "Jat" could refer to either peasants, to the Jats of Punjab (جاٽ, pronounced with a hard 't'), or to the camel-herding Jath (جت, pronounced with a soft 't') people who integrated into the Baloch identity.[4][5] The term "Jadgal" (lit. 'Jaṭṭ-speakers'[6]) is derived from Jat, and was traditionally used by the Baloch to refer to any Sindhis who live amongst them.

The first indisputable mentions of Jats would be by 10th century Ghaznavid-era scholars such as Al-Biruni, who would note their presence across Northern India, from the banks of the Indus River to Krishna's city of Mathura.[7][8]

Arguments

There are a few different theories regarding the etymology and origin of the Jats.

One school of thought is that "Jat" descends from the Prakrit form Jaṭṭa, derived from the Sanskrit form Jarta[9] or Jartika,[10] the name of an ancient non-Vedic[11] Bahlika tribe mentioned in the Mahabharata. According to this view, the Jattas referenced by the 6th century grammarian Chandragomin,[12] and again in the 6th or 7th century Gilgit Baltistani inscription,[13][14] referred to proto-Jats. However, there is little evidence of this Sanskrit origin.

Others suggest that "Jat" is derived from the name of an Indo-Scythian tribe, specifically the Getae. This theory was popularised by colonial anthropologists during the period of British rule in India,[15] although some modern scholars have also adopted this view.[16][17][18] Some expanded this argument to include other Iranics such as the Yuezhi (and later Kushans).[19] However, these claims are heavily disputed, and many Jats had previously opposed this identification, adopting the 19th century Arya Samaj movement in part to reinforce their identify as Indo-Aryans.[20]

Some scholars have also suggested Jit as the origin, as Arab and Persian chroniclers reportedly derived the terms "Zutt" and Jat-an from this native name.[21][22][23] These chroniclers would use these generic exonyms to refer to the various pastoralist tribes of the Indus, oftentimes including or excluding tribes as per the chronicler's discretion.[24]

I think this version is more complete (more theories) and emphasizes that it is still under discussion.

Yuhtimis (talk) 20:01, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

A big change like this needs consensus. Hamimh2 (talk) 02:00, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

References

  1. Jakobsh, D.R. (2010). Sikhism and Women: History, Texts, and Experience. Oxford University Press. p. 139. ISBN 978-0-19-806002-4. Retrieved 23 September 2024. Jatni ( female Jat ) , portrayed as stitching her own wedding clothes , personified the Victorian ideals both of morally superior rural handicraft production and of women's proper domestic work within a male - dominated lineage
  2. Mayaram, Shail (2003), Against History, Against State: Counterperspectives from the Margins, Columbia University Press, p. 33, ISBN 978-0-231-12730-1, Indeed "Jat" had been a generic term for a peasant in the Punjab.
  3. Bayly, Susan (2001). Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the Modern Age. Cambridge University Press. p. 139. ISBN 9780521798426. For Ibbetson, then, both the Punjab and the northwest frontier regions were open societies where the difference between the 'Jat' and the 'Rajput' was not a matter of blood or ethnological fact... [but] a fluid representation of status as claimed by men of power.
  4. Spooner, Brian (1975). "Nomadism in Baluchistan". In Leshnik, Lawrence S.; Sontheime, Günther-Dietz (eds.). Pastoralists and Nomads in South Asia. Wiesbaden, Germany: O. Harrassowitz. pp. 171–182. ISBN 3-447-01552-7.
  5. جاٽَ (p. 640), جَتُ (p. 649), ڄَٽُ (p. 683), in Nabī Bakhshu Khānu Balocu. Jāmiʻ Sindhī lughāta. Karācī: Ḥaidarābād Sindhu, Pākistān: Sindhī Adabī Borḍ, 1960–1988. Available online at the Digital South Asia Library.
  6. Brian J. Spooner; Jim G. Shaffer; Josef Elfenbein; Moḥammad-Taqī Masʿūdīya; Siawosch Azadi (23 March 2022). "Baluchistan". Brill Referenceworks. Brill. doi:10.1163/2330-4804_eiro_com_6516.
  7. Baumer, Christoph (30 May 2016). The History of Central Asia: The Age of Islam and the Mongols. Bloomsbury. pp. 207–208. ISBN 978-1838609399. Archived from the original on 11 May 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2020. In 1026, warriors of the Jats, the indigenous population of Sindh, inflicted heavy losses on Mahmud's army when he retreated from Somnath to Multan. Mahmud returned a year later to take revenge on the Jats, who had been stubbornly resisting forced Islamisation since the eighth century. As the contemporary writer Gardizi reports, Mahmud had 1,400 boats built; each boat was to carry 20 archers and be equipped with special projectiles that could be filled with naphtha. Mahmud's fleet sailed down the Jhelum and then the Indus, until it met the Jat fleet. Although the Jats had far more boats than Mahmud, their fleet was set ablaze and destroyed.
  8. Al-Biruni, India:Translated by Kayamuddin, Published by National Book Trust, India, 1997 page-176
  9. Chatterji, Suniti Kumar (1972). Select Papers (Āṅgla-nibandhachayana). People's Publishing House. p. 319.
  10. Turner, Ralph Lilley (1962). A Comparative Dictionary of Indo-Aryan languages. London: Oxford University Press. p. 280.
  11. Parasher, Aloka (1991). Mlecchas in Early India: A Study in Attitudes toward Outsiders up to AD 600. New Delhi: Munshiram Manoharial Publishers Pvt. Ltd. p. 212. ISBN 978-81-215-0529-1.
  12. Prakash, Buddha (1962). Studies in Indian History and Civilization (PDF). Shiva Lal Agarwala. p. 319. ...[The Hephtalites were] driven away by Skandagupta and defeated probably by the Jartas, the Jartikas or Jats of the Sialkot region, as we learn from a remark of Chandragomin ajayaj-jarto Hūnān...
  13. Jettmar, Karl (1992). Cultural Heritage of Northern Regions of Pakistan Down to the Islam. An Introduction (PDF). Department of Achaeology & Museums, Government of Pakistan. p. 49. Photograph 33 - Plate 27 • Rock with numerous inscriptions mostly Brahml, one Sogdian. A member of the "Jat" tribe is mentioned in the oldest hitherto only conjectural form of this term. Also mentioned is the politically important "Kasha land". Shatial Bridge. (6th-7th century A.D.)
  14. Jettmar, Karl (1989). Antiquities of Northern Pakistan. Volume 1. p. 47. The inscriptions no. 30-31 are located at three different sites. Thus we can follow up the travels of Jīvavarma... Jīvavarma is called Jatta, therefore he is a member of the Jats...
  15. Alexander Cunningham, 1888, cited by: Sundeep S. Jhutti, 2003, The Getes, Philadelphia, PA; Department of East Asian languages & Civilizations University of Pennsylvania, p. 13.
  16. Sulimirski, Tadeusz (1970). The Sarmatians: Volume 73 of Ancient peoples and places. New York: Praeger. pp. 113–114. ISBN 9789080057272. The evidence of both the ancient authors and the archaeological remains point to a massive migration of Sacian (Sakas)/Massagetan ("great" Jat) tribes from the Syr Daria Delta (Central Asia) by the middle of the second century B.C. Some of the Syr Darian tribes; they also invaded North India.
  17. Rishi, Weer Rajendra (1982). India & Russia: linguistic & cultural affinity. Roma. p. 95.
  18. Chakraberty, Chandra (1997). Racial basis of Indian culture: including Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal. Aryan Books International. ISBN 8173051100.
  19. Sundeep S. Jhutti, 2003, "The Getes", Sino-Platonic Papers, no. 127 (October), pp. 15–17. (Access: 20 April 2026).
  20. Jaffrelot, Christophe (2010). Religion, Caste & Politics in India. Primus Books. p. 431. ISBN 9789380607047.
  21. Maclean, Derryl N. (1984). Religion and Society in Arab Sind. McGill University. ISBN 978-0-315-20821-6. Pg. 45.
  22. Nizami, Khaliq Ahmad (1994). "Early Arab Contact with South Asia". Journal of Islamic Studies. 5 (1): 52–69. ISSN 0955-2340. JSTOR 26196673. Pg. 57.
  23. ʿAthamina, Khalil (1998). "Non-Arab Regiments and Private Militias during the Umayyād Period"]. Arabica. 45 (3): 347–378. ISSN 0570-5398. Pg. 355. JSTOR 4057316
  24. Zakeri, Mohsen (1995). Sāsānid Soldiers in Early Muslim Society: The Origins of ʻAyyārān and Futuwwa. Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. ISBN 978-3-447-03652-8. Pg. 123, 195, 196.

Edit request in - Clan system.

In the section, Clan system - List of clans, The clan "Karwasra" is missing, it's a Jat community in North India, specifically in states like Haryana, Rajasthan, Punjab, and Uttar Pradesh. Originally from Rajasthan.

[17/05/2026] (Edit request, Looking forward to it) (Thanks and regards, Vikas Karwasra) Vikas karwasra0 (talk) 19:33, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

Edit request 2 June 2026 - Women in Jat society


A lot of information is not included in this section, so I want to add it:

Historically, Jat women were expected to abide by the rules of their Khap, which governed much of the social life of Jat society. In the modern day, many of these Khaps have come under scrutiny for their male-centric structure and rules.[1][2] However, many Khap leaders now promote social progress in Jat society, such as supporting girls' education.[3][4][5]

In some cases, Jat women were recorded to be observing purdah. The Bamraulia Jat chief of Gohad State reportedly identified as Kshatriya, and consequently considered it a duty for his women to observe purdah.[6]

During the colonial period, the Hindu Jats were one of the many communities which were practicing female infanticide. As a result, there was a sex-ratio imbalance between women and men.[7][8] This imbalance left some Jats to resort to purchasing brides from neighboring (including non-Jat) communities, or adopting adelphic polyandry and having multiple brothers share one wife. This was typically done by poor men who sought to preserve what little was left of their family's land holdings. Both bride purchasing and adelphic polyandry is still practised by some Jats in Indian Punjab and Haryana.[9][10]

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References

  1. Chowdhry, Prem (2004). "Caste panchayats and the policing of marriage in Haryana: Enforcing kinship and territorial exogamy". Contributions to Indian Sociology. 38 (1–2): 1–42. doi:10.1177/006996670403800102. S2CID 144104737.
  2. Ellis, Desmond; Stuckless, Noreen; Smith, Carrie (2015). Marital Separation and Lethal Domestic Violence. Routledge. p. 77. ISBN 978-1-31752-213-3.
  3. "Khap Panchayats 'A Useful Instrument Of Society': Haryana Chief Minister". www.ndtv.com. Retrieved 2025-05-26.
  4. Bajwa, Harpreet (16 August 2015). "Khap Panchayats Root for Educated Leaders". New Indian Express. Archived from the original on 21 August 2015.
  5. Siwach, Sukhbir (13 June 2014). "Haryana khaps launch campaign for girls' education".
  6. Sarkar, Jadunath (1955). House of Shivaji (3rd ed.). Orien Longman, New Delhi. p. 301. The Rana of Gohad was scornfully asked by Col. Camac and other English allies in their camp at Sesai (south of Gwalior), "What has your Mahadji Sindhia done that you praise him so highly ?' The Rana (who was then fighting against Sindhia) replied, "Mahadji is no ordinary man; he has restored the Emperor to his throne in Delhi, and his wife rides out to battle." Camac asked, "Do not your wives ride out ?" The Jat chief replied, "No. We are Kshatriyas, we observe parda' [Bodleian Library, Persian manuscript.]
  7. VISHWANATH, L. S. (1994). "Towards a Conceptual Understanding of Female Infanticide and Neglect in Colonial India". Proceedings of the Indian History Congress. 55: 606–613. ISSN 2249-1937. JSTOR 44143417. By 1850, several castes, in North India, the Jats, Ahirs, Gujars and Khutris, and the Lewa Patidar Kanbis in Central Gujarat were found to practice female infanticide. The colonial authorities also found that both in rural North and West India, the castes which practiced female infanticide were propertied (they owned substantial arable land), had the hypergamous marriage norm and paid large dowries.
  8. Vishwanath, L. S. (2004). "Female Infanticide: The Colonial Experience". Economic and Political Weekly. 39 (22): 2313–2318. ISSN 0012-9976. JSTOR 4415098. The 1921 census... provides figures from 1901 to 1921 to show that in Punjab, United Provinces and Rajputana castes such as... Hindu Jats... [had] 'a tradition' of female infanticide [and consequently] had a much lower number of females per thousand males compared to castes without such a tradition...
  9. Dhaliwal, Sarbjit. Bride-buying an old practice in north India, Tribune News Service, August 17, tribuneindia.com
  10. "Modern Draupadis exist in Mansa villages | India News - Times of India". The Times of India. 2 April 2011.

Edit request 13 June 2026


Please add this to the bottom of Jats#The Khap System:

Jat khaps often had rivalries. A well-known example is the Malik-Dahiya rivalry. The Malik (Gathwala) Jats were backed by the Mughal empire and tasked with eliminating Rajput influence in Haryana. The Maliks grew so powerful that they threatened rival groups such as the Dahiya Jats. The Dahiyas thus led a coalition of Jats, Rajputs and Gurjars, and opposed the Maliks. This rivalry lasted into the 19th century.[1][2] Both the Malik and Dahiya khaps continue to operate today.[3][4]

YaudheyanChariot932 (talk) 05:57, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

References

  1. Joshi, Girija (2019). "The Politics of Lineage: Caste, Kinship and Land Control in an Agrarian Frontier". South Asia Multidisciplinary Academic Journal (SAMAJ) (21). doi:10.4000/samaj.5638. ISSN 1960-6060. The coalition-like nature of the clan is well illustrated in the account of the origins of the Dahiya Jat gota. By the 1870s, the territories of this clan extended from Karnal to Sonepat, and encompassed not only villages where Jats were in the majority, but also several that were predominantly Gujar and Chauhan Rajput. The roots of this multi-qaum lineage, according to Denzil Ibbetson, could be traced back to the days of Mughal dominance, when imperial governors had put their weight behind another Jat gota called Ghatwal, to counter the growing local influence of a recalcitrant Rajput gota called the Mandhars. Such was the success of the Ghatwals, however, that they posed a threat not only to the Mandhars, but also to other Jat clans in the area, such as the Dahiyas. In response to this threat, the Dahiyas began to consolidate their ranks, forging ties with several minor Jat, Gujar and Rajput lineages (Ibbetson [1883] 1916:82). Although the Mandhars had been politically eclipsed, the rivalry between the Ghatwal and Dahiya Jats persisted into the nineteenth century.
  2. Stokes, Eric (1980). The Peasant and the Raj: Studies in Agrarian Society and Peasant Rebellion in Colonial India. Cambridge University Press. p. 17-18. ISBN 978-0-52129-770-7. The factional split had originated apparently in the eighteenth century when the Ghatwals (or as they later proudly termed themselves, Malik) Jats of Ahulana near Gohana in Rohtak district led the fight to push back Rajput overlord pretensions and land-control rights in the area of rich soil (bangar) in the later Kamal district. The Ghatwals proved so successful that not only did they defiantly adopt the red turban but they also provoked the jealousy and alarm of the Dehia Jats settled about Sonepat. The latter thereupon formed a league of the defeated, which appears to have included not only the minor Jat clans of Huda and Latmar from Rohtak and the Jaglan Jats from Naultha in Kamal, but extended to embrace the Gujars and Tagas of Kamal and even the Mandhar Rajputs...
  3. Manav, Sushil (9 July 2024). "Khaps ask Haryana CM to ban live-ins, amend law to restrict marriages in same 'gaon, guvandh, gotra'". The Print. Retrieved 13 June 2026. Ashok Malik, head of Malik Khap...[was] among those who met Saini under the banner of Sarva Jatiye Sarva Khap, seeking...intervention in the matter.
  4. "No compensation, no vote: 'Dahiya chaubisi'". The Tribune (India). 9 April 2024. Retrieved 13 June 2026. Enraged over the laying of high-tension wires in fields, members of the 'Dahiya chaubisi', a group of 24 villages of Dahiya khap, announced that they would a keep distance from all political parties in the upcoming elections and mounted posters and banners at various places, banning the entry of political leaders in their villages.
 Not done - I do not see this as an accurate reading of the sources, especially the part where the source says that Mughals had propped up Ghatwals to counter the local influence of one local recalcitrant rajput clan which you have summarized as that of countering the influence of "rajputs" in "Haryana" region, the text you have written is unsubstantially broadening the scope of the content. THEZDRX (User) | (Contact) 07:14, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
Hi @User:ZDRX. To be clear, the only issue is that I did not say Mandhar Rajput explicitly? Then just say "eliminating Mandhar Rajput influence" instead. Otherwise I practically verbatim wrote what the quotes say. It's not debatable if Mughals supported Maliks, even the title itself is of Arabic/Muslim origin.
Or alternatively, since the main point is the rivalry, just cut out that part.
YaudheyanChariot932 (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
I originally just wrote Haryanvi Rajput due to this quote not specifying only Mandhars: "The factional split had originated apparently in the eighteenth century when the Ghatwals (or as they later proudly termed themselves, Malik) Jats of Ahulana near Gohana in Rohtak district led the fight to push back Rajput overlord pretensions and land-control rights in the area of rich soil (bangar) in the later Kamal district"
See PDF here: https://dn790007.ca.archive.org/0/items/dli.bengal.10689.12791/10689.12791_text.pdf
YaudheyanChariot932 (talk) 16:57, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Jat clans

There is a lot of great information on Jat Sikh#Clans which (as far as I can tell) are not just Sikh Jat specific, and could be merged here. Or alternatively, made into its own article, like Rajput clans or Pashtun clans. I suggested the same in the Jat Sikh Talk page. YaudheyanChariot932 (talk) 23:40, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 June 2026

AniketTalan (talk) 16:34, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

Change the list of Jat clans to include Talan (also spelled Tahlan, Tahlon, and Tehlan, where supported by reliable sources).

Reason: Several Jat clan compilations and historical references identify Talan/Tahlan/Tahlon as a Jat gotra. I request that editors review the available sources and, if they satisfy Wikipedia's sourcing requirements, add Talan to the list of Jat clans.

References for review:

Additional published sources that may be relevant include works by Dalip Singh Ahlawat and O.S. Tugania.