Talk:Normandy landings

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. A simple count shows a majority against moving the article. The supporters were divided between the original proposal and "D-Day" with the latter being preferred. The discussion has petered out, and there seems to be little point in relisting. Favonian (talk) 16:23, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Normandy landings → D-Day (1944)D-Day (1944) – The more common term for the event. Should be used as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Military history#Naming conventions. A Google Trends search reveals that "D-Day" is a much more frequently searched term than "Normandy Landing". Google Ngram viewer shows D-day as being several times more common than "Normandy Landings". Pencilceaser123 (talk) 00:08, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Previous discussions

Most recent Special:Permalink/1141475668#Requested move 20 February 2023

• Talk:Normandy landings/Archive 1#Proposed move?
• Talk:Normandy landings/Archive 1#Proposed rename of article
• Talk:Normandy landings/Archive 2#Requested move 19 October 2014

Moxy🍁 00:22, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I looked through these before submitting and felt that "D-Day (1944)" rather than just "D-Day" satisfied the concerns. Although im now thinking maybe "D-Day Landings" or "D-Day Landings (1944)" would have been better. Pencilceaser123 (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Support It is the most common name for the event. DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 22:16, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as proposed. D-Day and all its variations redirect here, so we should not move the page to a disambiguated version of what is already a primary redirect to the same page. No opinion currently on whether "D-Day" is a better title than "Normandy landings". Mdewman6 (talk) 02:58, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

  Well I was trying to propose something different to what failed during the other proposals. Honestly D-Day is much better name than Normandy landings as it's significantly more common Pencilceaser123 (talk) 03:19, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

• Support alternate move to D-Day. I do not think the argument that D-Day is used as a general military term holds water, as its far more popular use is for the Normandy landings, to the point that it does not require disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:03, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

  What about "D-Day Landings"? Pencilceaser123 (talk) 06:06, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

  I do not believe the "Landings" clarifier is necessary, although I would prefer "D-Day landings" over "Normandy landings" if necessary. It's still a better title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:17, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

  Agreed, I dont mind between "D-Day" or "D-Day" landings. I just think "D-Day Landings" avoids the reasons for rejection of previous name change proposals. Pencilceaser123 (talk) 06:18, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. "D Day" has been used for various different military operations. Dormskirk (talk) 12:46, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

  That's why I propose moving it to "d-day (1944)" or "d-day landings". It's the much more common name and that's how naming conventions work Pencilceaser123 (talk) 20:48, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. I think leaving the article at "Normandy landings" is a good choice because the article focuses on the events of that specific day, while "D-Day" is a generic military term. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

  This is the primary d-day though. Infact "d-day" actually redirects to this page. Pencilceaser123 (talk) 20:50, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

• Support move to D-Day. It's the common name and while it may be a generic term, the June 6 landings are the primary topic. The term "D-Day" has redirected to this page since 2008. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:52, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
• SUpport move to D-Day, seems to be PRIMARY by long-term significance.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:18, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. The current name is sufficiently specific and meaningful. D-Day is a military term, and there were a lot of D Days in 1944, since most/all Anglo American major operations had their own D Days.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:31, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

  It is the primary d-day however by a lot Pencilceaser123 (talk) 20:49, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, per arguments stated above. DonBeroni (talk) 06:33, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, What @Toddy1 said. BelowFlames (talk) 00:35, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - has anything changed since the most recent, and comprehensive move discussions?
  • Talk:Normandy_landings/Archive_2#Requested_move_15_May_2020
  • Talk:Normandy_landings/Archive_2#Requested_move_20_February_2023

Or is there anything to invalidate previous arguments and consensus? GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:08, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm proposing we move it to "D-Day(1944)" or "D-Day landings" instead of just D-Day Pencilceaser123 (talk) 20:09, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

That sounds like a minor distinction. GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:21, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

• Move to D-Day. Arguments that there are other D-Days make no sense as D-Day already redirects here and for good reason. D-Day is the common name. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 21:17, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

  Exactly, consensus has already established D-Day should move here. So it just becomes which name is more common. Pencilceaser123 (talk) 21:41, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Very commonly called the Normandy landings. Solution in search of a problem. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:49, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  A simple google trends and Ngram search shows d-day is significant more common several times over Pencilceaser123 (talk) 19:21, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. How can we be sure ngrams for d-day aren't including other instances unrelated to Normandy? (Hohum ^@) 19:49, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  We can't, but it's highly unlikely, especially when we consider d-day is several times over more common. Plus the page "D-Day" already redirects here Pencilceaser123 (talk) 19:55, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  This seems like it's all three of; a circular argument / handwaving / cart before horse. (Hohum ^@) 20:32, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  Pen pls review Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process Moxy🍁 20:11, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  Am I pen? I am not sure how I am bludgeoning the process. I was asked a question and gave my honest response. Pencilceaser123 (talk) 07:46, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Current title is clearer. One can talk about things happening "on D-Day", showing that the "day" component is treated literally (correctly). The current title is therefore a better description of the topic, which is not a day but a military operation. Srnec (talk) 04:03, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME Kelob2678 (talk) 21:09, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, both names are common enough, the current title is better as it's more precise. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 12:20, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - current title better satisfies criteria of Naturalness and Precision given in the naming guidelines; it is descriptive in natural language. GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:58, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME The term D-Day has been used for this singular event in the overwhelming vast majority of the term's use anywhere and everywhere for nearly a century. It is why we know the term. It's the only reason we know the term. The use of the term has this specific, unique and particular connotation. That it's incidentally used internally by some military units is a mere footnote, a nod only to those preoccupied with the minutia of its entomology. To upend and reverse this is encyclopedic malpractice of the highest order. Is this to be a pedant's dictionary or a proper fit for purpose encyclopedia? You decide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2025-31705-93 (talk • contribs) 16:03, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

The word "incidentally" means as a chance occurrence. It is not.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:04, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

What is the most prominent WP:Reliable Source use of the term D-Day you can offer that does not reference events of June 6th, 1944? There isn't a single ref yet on any topic on Wikipedia that does, so here at least it doesn't even rise to the level of incidental. (check the disambiguation, you'll see). Balance that against the combined and overwhelming output on the event produced by academia, science, literature, cinema, theater, radio, tv, etc and the effect it has had on humanity and the trajectory of history. ~2025-31885-51 (talk) 15:37, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Current title is WP:NATURALLY precise title, as opposed to the proposed change which requires an explicit disambiguator to be precise. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

  WP:NATURALLY does not fit here. Note their example: "The word "French" commonly refers to either the people or the language." NATURAL is about "using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources" - and yet, here on Wikipedia we have at this time ZERO WP:Reliable Source references that do NOT reference the events of 6 June 1944 as D-Day. It is simply not true to state that the etymological base is anything near a common alternative. It is not, and the weight of millions of refs on one side versus zero (wiki listed) on the other makes that unassailably clear.~2025-31705-93 (talk) 14:25, 11 November 2025 (UTC)