Talk:Petal (album)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. Track your hook after promotion. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Beta Beta Beta (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2026 (UTC)

• ... that Ariana Grande did not wear her signature hairstyle ponytail for the cover artwork of Petal?

• ALT1: ... that Ariana Grande once suggested that she would need two brains and six arms for Petal?

• ALT2: ... that Ariana Grande claimed that she would need two brains and six arms to produce her eighth album before announcing Petal?

• ALT3: ... that Ariana Grande was too shy to announce her eighth album before it felt to her like "Fuck it"?

• • Reviewed:

Camilasdandelions (✉️) 10:40, 29 April 2026 (UTC).

• @Camilasdandelions: Hi, thank you for bringing this up. While the article is new and long enough for the DYK, and the hook is properly attributed in the article as well, I think isn't this too early to run a DYK, considering we are about three months away from the album release? The article may grow more and more if it stays in the waiting list. Just a concern which I shared, I may be wrong. Thank you! M. Billoo 20:00, 4 May 2026 (UTC)
  • M.Billoo2000 There is no rule that the album should be "three month away" from it release. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 01:26, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

@Camilasdandelions: I am only concerned because something has happened with me as well at Talk:Roshni (album). I am currently seeing this article as a borderline notable and WP:TOOSOON, although I may be wrong because it has a SIGCOV for its announcement and a commentary that supports the hook. What to do now? M. Billoo 01:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Then I believe the this article's DYK could not be passed in the past either; at that time, its cover artwork and release date were not even unveiled (and still now). If there's a rule associated with those things, again, that article would not also be passed at that time. Also, recently, this article's DYK entry has also been passed although it is not yet released in streaming services.

I just saw the article you posted here, and I believe it lacked some secondary sources to verify its notability, I guess. Also another user stated the reliability of the source cited in hook: "I would recommend using better sources or this nom will fail." But I'm not so sure about this situation per those two successful cases above. Thank you for concerning about this though, and I think it's better to wait other editors' opinions. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 01:27, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

I understand, thank you for sharing some other examples. Stove is in the past now, so no comments on it. For the recent one, "Begged", I can see secondary coverage about how the song has been received after being premiered on a TV show. And for the Roshni, it has been argued that there are only primary statements and no secondary coverage. Same, for now, I can see here for Petal. So I guess it is no problem in waiting for the DYK approval. There is another recent example, which you may be aware of, Template:Did you know nominations/The Life of a Showgirl. At the time of nomination, there was enough commentary about Taylor Swift's announcement and album covers. M. Billoo 13:29, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

@Camilasdandelions: Been a few weeks, any progress on this one? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:24, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Theleekycauldron Why not? I'm still waiting for a review. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 22:33, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: There is no rule prohibiting DYK running unreleased content (see User:Andrew Davidson/Main Page Errors#Gorillaz), and if you won't tick this off, I will.--Launchballer 22:56, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

@Launchballer and Theleekycauldron: I will not mind. My concern was not an unreleased content. But that the article currently does not have enough secondary independent coverage, and mostly relies on the primary statements only. Like Grande announced... Grande confirmed... Grande posted on social media... Grande's team made an account... etc. The hook is well sourced though. And only that is why I called it a TOOSOON for now. Thank you. M. Billoo 01:01, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

The cover artwork one, the DYK hook, relies on the reliable secondary sources though.. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 02:31, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

As also stated above, please see Template:Did you know nominations/The Life of a Showgirl as well. At the time of nomination, the article had enough secondary independent coverage . See WP:FUTUREALBUMS as well. I think it is not bad to wait a little more, considering the album's first single is releasing this week, and we soon may have a tracklist as well. Thank you. M. Billoo 10:18, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Regardless of how far off the album release is, the proposed hook admittedly doesn't sound very intriguing to begin with, so I recommend coming up with at least one alt. What else can we reasonably use from currently available secondary sources? SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:50, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

SNUGGUMS what about her new label BabyDoll Music? It is the first time for her to release the album through her own imprint. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 05:32, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Ideally the hook should be one targeted even towards non-fans. That suggestion sounds like a hook mainly targeted towards Grande fans rather than general music fans or the general public. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:45, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

While imprint certainly is an improvement over the ponytail idea, Narutolovehinata5's comments make me hesitant to fully endorse it. Feel free to list other ideas you can come up with that aren't primarily aimed at her fanbase. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:28, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

@Camilasdandelions: Please propose a new hook as the interest of the above proposal was challenged. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:36, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Not sure why the proposed hook is not interesting, since Grande did not use her signature hair style ponytail in her album cover for the first time. I actually see no other ideas for this album for now. @Launchballer: are you willing to take a review for it though? Camilasdandelions (✉️) 14:10, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Pony tail details frankly are trivial per WP:NOTADIARY and only appear to be of interest to her fanbase, if anyone at all. Now that I give this more thought, the imprint might be our best bet unless anybody else has a better idea to use. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:06, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I still don't think that the imprint thing is that interesting, because it would require knowledge about her career that many casual listeners, let alone people who aren't her fans, don't know. The hair style is probably something that only fans even know (I didn't even know her hairstyle is a signature). Maybe Launchballer has some ideas on what could be used as a hook, but if that doesn't work out, maybe the article just isn't a good fit for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Changing labels is fairly common. Maybe "that Ariana Grande once suggested that she would need two brains and six arms for her eighth album?". (I did recently find out from Bridge of Lies (game show) that Grande has released many more fragrances than albums, so if she promotes the album with one, 'that she plugged her eighth album with her 30th (or however many) fragrance' would work.)--Launchballer 23:45, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Done. Would you mind if I adopt "... that Ariana Grande may have hinted at her eighth studio album by revealing that she had "eight glossy balms" in her bag?" as an ALT2? Camilasdandelions (✉️) 02:09, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

@Camilasdandelions and Launchballer: Everything (or, at least most of them) inside the background section is directly un-related to the album Petal. So, I do not see ALT1 complying WP:V and it seems WP:SYNTH. Potential ALT2 looks like speculation, or WP:FANCRUFT, unless it is properly attributed. But again, TOOSOON and no independent secondary coverage... M. Billoo 14:35, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

• @Camilasdandelions: It has been several weeks since the last response here; if no new hook cannot be proposed and the fancruft concerns can't be addressed, this will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

  @Launchballer: I would like to know your opinion for the ALT1 that I adopted. Or you can suggest me another hook whatever you think is fine. Regards, Camilasdandelions (✉️) 01:59, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

I just removed a bunch of content including ALT2 that only appeared in sources that didn't mention Petal by name and added a more recent source for ALT1, which should satisfy M.Billoo2000.--Launchballer 03:09, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

While the article seems now complying WP:NALBUM and WP:FUTUREALBUM, the statement in hook still is not related to the album Petal. The article has now tracklist and independent coverage of at least one song. I have marked this already for a secondary opinion at the Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Older_nominations_needing_DYK_reviewers. Thank you! M. Billoo 11:35, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Actually, I added a more recent source to the article for ALT1, which another editor reverted - and then reverted back. Camilasdandelions then reverted my edit. I would argue that there's a consensus there and I was hoping you could enforce that. See also User talk:Launchballer#Petal.--Launchballer 11:44, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: I'm sorry, but I actually don't understand your opinion that the ALT1 hook "is not related to the album Petal". The hook explicitly mentions the album, and Grande literally said that she needed "an extra brain and four more arms" for it. And I wrote it in article's "Background" section - which makes you unsatisfied? Camilasdandelions (✉️) 12:09, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

• As I said above and at the WT:DYK, I was open to the second opinion and I had nk problem with the promotion of the nomination. But this is only to clarify my opinion with no bad intention, and I apologize if my comments were hurtful. The article says, "In January 2026, Grande spoke with Billboard magazine [...] She indicated that her new album was coming "soon enough"—while it was not yet completed[4]—and mentioned that she needed "an extra brain and four more arms" for it.[5]" Then, it says, Grande revealed her eighth studio album on April 28, along with its title Petal and cover art[26].

"Welp ... All i said was ‘no’". Isn't there a contradiction in Grande's statements? So, I think new album was coming "soon enough" should be removed. Petal album and its name was announced in April, so any comment made prior to the album announcement should not be directly related to it, and I think it falls under WP:SYNTH. Even one of the latest ref does not compare these statements with Petal directly, and stick the story to background only.

Thank you! M. Billoo 14:11, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Still I disagree and it makes no sense to me. Isn't there a contradiction in Grande's statements? So, I think new album was coming "soon enough" should be removed. -- What contradiction? This is perfectly relevant with the album's "Background" section. It exists for those contents. Petal album and its name was announced in April, so any comment made prior to the album announcement should not be directly related to it -- What is she talking about in these statements then? She announced the album three months later from there, which means they are actually related. I believe it is common sense. Also she said she would not release any music until May, which was actually true. Annoucing does not mean that she's gonna release something. (I apologize if I looked somewhat aggressive, but hope you know that I didn't mean to be.) Camilasdandelions (✉️) 15:52, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Suggest something like "that Ariana Grande claimed that she would need two brains and six arms to produce her eighth album before announcing Petal?".--Launchballer 17:26, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

@Launchballer:  Done Camilasdandelions (✉️) 21:59, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

• @Billoo2000: This times out in two days, could you make a final decision on this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:47, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Fixed ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:48, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

I think, given M.Billoo2000's comment on the talk page (and his proposal of a hook), this one's yours to review.--Launchballer 12:03, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

• @M.Billoo2000: I adopted your ALT3 idea. Thank you for this! Camilasdandelions (✉️) 14:48, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
• For clarity for the bot - ALT2 - Jishara (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2026 (UTC)