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Haegue Yang

Hi Netherzone, Hope all is well with you. I have bee looking at the artists included in the exhibition Making Their Mark: Works from the Shah Garg Collection, currently at NWMA. I spent some time with the article Haegue Yang. I lost steam after cleaning up the Collections section. I have read through the article several times and it seems to be overly detailed and showing the hands of multiple editors. I feel like it needs to be tagged as "not written in an encyclopedic tone" ({{tone}}. Would you provide a second opinion please? I feel like I have lost perspective. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:00, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates, I had a short look at it and saw there are issues with it. It may be an AI creation (based on formatting clues), some unsourced sections and claims, possible original research. I don't mean any disrespect to the artist who is distinguished, but the way it is written reminds me of an application for a tenure and promotion application in academia (or a job applicant), having sat on dozens of those committees in the past. This is something I've seen on WP several times in the past for artists who also happen to also be academics. Or perhaps because one of the past-editors was part of a WikiEd class? I'm traveling now but will l have a deeper look soon. Thanks for reaching out! Netherzone (talk) 17:15, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Safe travels Netherzone! Thanks for taking a look. We can revisit at your convenience. WAU. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:51, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

I tagged it (as well as Shahar Tuchner). I am about to tackle some sort of source assessment for Tuchner. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi @WomenArtistUpdates, sorry that I completely forgot about this conversation and never followed up on it. I just had a quick look and the promo tool I have installed flagged these words: "Promotional words: dynamic, extensive, globally, inspired by, more than, numerous, ranked, spanning, transform", yikes! Thanks for the gentle nudge, I will read through it and do some work on it.

As to the Tuchner it really seems like a TNT situation even if notability checks out. I haven't checked all the sources, but those I did seemed connected or paid-placement, sponsored content/native advertising or user submitted. Lots of puffery.

If you find a moment, can you look at Larry Day? He is absolutely notable, however I've had to do a lot of promotionally-toned clean up, and it needs more work. Too much excessive detail. The article was paid for by his wife/widow and submitted by a paid editor who was not following all guidelines correctly.

BTW, I had an excellent time traveling for 3 weeks, feel energized now that I'm back home. :-) Netherzone (talk) 23:50, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Oh my! Larry Day article is some dense stuff! Welcome home. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:48, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

A lot name dropping in the Day article, it is hard to know what to keep and what to trim. So much is sourced to an offline reference, ref # 2. Makes it hard to verify. Netherzone (talk) 03:13, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates, thanks for doing the source analysis table for Tuchner; I know it takes a lot of work.

Re: Yang, I've started to clean up the article for tone, verbosity and excessive detail. I've gotten as far as the beginning of the "Light and visibility" sub-section. Do you think it's necessary to have so many subsections and sub-sub sections? To my way of thinking, alot of this belongs in a book chapter on her work, or in an academic paper. I think most encyclopedia readers may lose interest in so much excessive detail. I think it can be pruned quite a bit without losing integrity as an encyclopedia article. BTW, she's a really interesting artist. Netherzone (talk) 17:18, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

I agree with you that there is too much information. All three article we are looking at right now seem to be more of an "artist statement" than an encyclopedic article. Excessive quotes to do not add to our understanding of the notability of the artist. Excessive quotes in a BLP does not do the artist any favors. The problem I have is that I cannot figure out if that is a style preference on my part or, if indeed, these aren't encyclopedia articles. In an encyclopedia more space is given to more important subjects. That said, can we remove sourced material without violating Wikipedia guidelines? The articles that survive AFD because drive-bys think the article looks "OK" without parsing the quality of sources is disheartening. So, yes! Yang is very interesting, but in my opinion, the page should really be stubified down to brief bio and collections/exhibitions that establish her place in contemporary art. The article has academic assignment malarkey all over it (alas, another peeve of mine :) ) Any article with an exact birthdate raises a red flag for me. I am going to stick to the de-orphaning event over at WIR as I get perspective back, but would certainly like to know if that is how you see the issue too. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:13, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

100% in agreement with you. Articles should be written in summary style, not in a long hagiography spelling out every this-and-that someone has done. I have no problem further trimming to the Yang article or even stubification, and I can help you with that. To my mind, articles should focus on the most important key accomplishments of the person.

I do think that sourced content can be removed especially if it is sourced to a COI source, marginal source, primary source or personal website, or is simply trivial content. (As I've done in this removal of the "Other activities" section .) That section seemed to me like what someone puts in their academic application for tenure and/or promotion, or in their academic annual report. Then there is the problem of student editors from undergrads to grads to PhD students "publishing" parts of their dissertation on WP.

BTW, a keep voter on the Tuchner article just got busted for socking. I also created a Source Analysis Table on Safari for all the sources used one time (all useless for establishing notability), but when I clicked on "generate" it disappeared! Darn! So something is still not right with my settings. A while ago when I was able to make one on Firefox.

Have a good evening, NZ Netherzone (talk) 23:54, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I just moved a bunch of stuff to the talk page for now to help with clean up and trimming. Relevant content can be added back without all the excessive detail. Netherzone (talk) 20:43, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi Netherzone, The Haegue Yang article is so much better now. Thanks. I have been way from Wikipedia for a bit. I had to cut myself off until I got some projects completed. I am free to edit again :)

I see the Tuchner article got deleted as it should have.

I do think Larry Day should be reduced greatly in size. Do you think the editors understand why he article cannot stand as a full length "essay"? It is way too much information that is non-encyclopedic. The article relies heavily on "Body language: the art of Larry Day" and also contains too much quoted material. I don't think I have the patience delete from existing article, but I could work the other way 'round, if you think I should. Nice mid-century stuff! --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:21, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

I too, have had the source table vanish as I was nearing the end :( Usually because I have way too many tabs open and when I sweep through to close tabs, I delete the actual page I am using to create the table. It really hurts. I just have to walk away for the task for a bit at that point.--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @WomenArtistUpdates, hope you had an enjoyable break. The Larry Day article is still on my "to do" list for clean up. I left the creator a COI message, (they were paid to write the article by Day's widow) per this convo on their talk: User talk:Morganrhobbs#Managing a conflict of interest. The convo is currently stalled, so I may do some trimming in the meantime.

The past day, I've been focusing on Locative media art, written in "essay" style. From discussions with the creator, it seems it is a class assignment. It's pretty good and well sourced for student work, but definitely needs some fine tuning. I have not yet checked the sources against the content. And I wonder if how much of it may (or may not) be redundant with Locative media and if the two should be merged. What do you think? See: User talk:Peripatech for more info on the discussion with the creator, who seems open to feedback.

Have a nice evening, Netherzone (talk) 23:58, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waldemar Tatarczuk

This whole issue was left up in the air. Can you please add reliable sources to the article? Bearian (talk) 01:01, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

Hi Bearian, thanks for the heads up, this totally fell off my radar. Will add what I can find in the next week or so, I recently returned from overseas travel so I'm doing real life catch-up, but will get to it, promise. Netherzone (talk) 01:44, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

Bingo! Added a few citations that demonstrate he meets NARTIST, there's a lot out there about him, will continue to improve. Thanks again. Netherzone (talk) 02:07, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

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Thanks for sharing flowers and beauty, Gerda. I will check out the links for sure. Wow, so many tiny flowers in those hydrangea blooms. Exquisite. Netherzone (talk) 01:21, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! - Yesterday was the former German Unity Day, installed when unity was just a dream. I had a story to match, and today, it's another one, with music by Bach and Mendelssohn to match, - a DYK hook 15 years ago, which seems like from a different world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

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