User talk:Shipsenthusiast

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I know its a bit of a belated welcome, but I thought you'd appreciate having a ship on your talk page. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you! Shipsenthusiast (talk) 10:46, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

+1 Welcome! – LuniZunie_(talk) 23:46, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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GGOTCC 16:17, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Arosa Sun draft

A few points:

special:diff/1357833724: I'll take that as a sign that further discussion here is pointless. As soon as there is a published article, we will pick this up again. You may want to review WP:CONLEVEL.
"edit war": Not at all, we were discussing through edit summaries. I chose reverts instead of going to talk (as did you) because I mistakenly believed that would suffice.
"MOS:LANG says nothing about place names needing a certain marking" That's because English place names don't need a tag. Place names in other languages do.
"not marked as dutch on its own wikipedia page either" WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:WIP.
"a different name for it in English" Not a criterion for being a loanword. Unadapted borrowings happen all the time. Try café, for example.

Paradoctor (talk) 00:19, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

"a different name for it in English" Not a criterion for being a loanword. Unadapted borrowings happen all the time. Try café, for example.
"MOS:LANG says nothing about place names needing a certain marking" That's because English place names don't need a tag. Place names in other languages do.

I think i am failing to see how a place name (e.g. Amsterdam, Rotterdam) would be a loan word when these "words" are place names. Like Amsterdam/Rotterdam, IJmuiden is a proper noun and a toponym (a place name) that is borrowed directly from Dutch. It's comparable to an WP:COMMONNAME, because IJmuiden is used as the place name in english and other languages too. In the Netherlands, for example, we use "New York" as the place name for New York, and don't mark it as English text because it's a toponym.

I believe the page for IJmuiden itself is a damning enough "evidence" that it shouldn't be marked as "Dutch language text" when it's a toponym being borrowed into English. Unless you're planning to mark every single page with a dutch place name that has ever existed as dutch-language text, it makes no sense. Loan words being unadapted borrowings are fine; the dutch language loans words from english unadapted too.

"not marked as dutch on its own wikipedia page either" WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:WIP.

As for WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, That's a section in arguments to avoid in deletion discussions(pages that are attempted to have their existence justified based on the guise of "it's a thing" and showing other things relative to it as a justification of existing; even if the page Lifeboat exists, we don't need a specific page on something like SS Exam Pell Lifeboat 3 without any underlying reason) or page creations(If someone tries to argue that Lifeboats of the SS Exam Pell should exist, simply because Lifeboats of the Titanic exists.).

That's not at all what's going on here, either; neither of us is trying to justify the creation of a certain page that shouldn't or should exist. We are having a discussion about if a singular word should be "Dutch Language text" when it's a toponym used in regular text.

It is fine to reference other articles on how something is handled on Wikipedia, especially if its the article about the exact subject we're having an discussion over. Quoting Wikipedia:SSE "in the case where something has not been codified on Wikipedia, there is nothing wrong with considering how reputable sources approach the same topic as a starting point or point of reference"

As for WP:WIP, I believe it would be pretty damning for no one to have ever pulled it up on the main page for IJmuiden or any other page ever mentioning the place before, until now on a sandbox page about a ship to mark it as dutch text.

"edit war": Not at all, we were discussing through edit summaries. I chose reverts instead of going to talk (as did you) because I mistakenly believed that would suffice.

WP:EDITWAR "An editor who repeatedly restores their preferred version is edit warring, regardless of whether those edits are justifiable. Claiming "My edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring" is not a valid defense."

Shipsenthusiast (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Put a pin in it. As I said before, we will pick this up again when there is an article. Paradoctor (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2026 (UTC)