Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2020 March 29

29 March 2020

Fiona Stewart (event director) – Article refunded to user space for development and now live in mainspace. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:39, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Fiona Stewart (event director) (talk`\|`edit`\|`history`\|`logs`\|`links`\|`watch) (XfD`\|`restore) A week ago, I was just about to create a page for Fiona Stewart, director of the Green Man Festival, when I came across a deletion discussion via the name disambig page. The previous page was deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fiona Stewart (event director), seemingly because it was a puff piece. I've been writing a new version at User:Mujinga/DraftFS and I'm confident it passes WP:V and WP:GNG. I'd like the deleted page to be recreated so I could take a look at it and then merge in my new version. I left a note on the closer's talkpage but they haven't edited wikipedia since March 19. Thanks for any help. Mujinga (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC) It beats WP:CSD#G4. The AfD was over two years ago. You claim better sources. The title is not WP:SALTed (Create-protected). Mujinga, if you are confident, boldly re-create it. If you are not confident, use WP:AfC. DRV will not AfD-proof it. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC) WP:REFUND and history merge the deleted versions (unless they are junk). If you read the old versions, you should give attribution. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC) My reading of WP:REFUND was that I should come here first but it is a bit ambiguous. I'm not in a rush so I'll wait to see if there's a consensus here. I feel the best practice way to history merge would be to recreate it first and then edit. Mujinga (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC) I don’t know what you read where, but yes, it is ambiguous. Speedy refund for Mujinga. 14 years, 385 pages created, 8121 mainspace edits, he knows what he is doing. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC) This really seems like a no-brainer, so I've restored this to User:Mujinga/Fiona Stewart (event director). My suggestion for the easiest way to comply with WP:ATT would be to work on that copy, move it (and the talk page) back into mainspace when you're done, and then tag your DraftFS for WP:G7. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC) Just to echo what SmokeyJoe said above, while you've given sufficient justification for userfying the old page and taking another shot at a mainspace article, I can't guarantee that somebody won't bring this back to AfD again if the issues from the previous AfD aren't resolved. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC) Agreed, absolutely no guarantee - but that shouldn't be a problem. I do now see why it was deleted before, terribly undersourced. Thanks to you both Mujinga (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC) Comment - Concur with result. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC) The old versions were not “junk”, but were harshly reviewed at AfD for being badly undersourced. A WP:V failure as someone (User:L293D SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)) noted at AfD. The old and the new have now been history merged and are back in mainspace, which was the right thing to do. No prejudice to anyone renominating at AfD, but I think it is unlikely to be deleted, there is enough published independent comment. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC) We can close this, there's nothing wrong with the close and there's been an acceptable remedy. SportingFlyer T·C 08:08, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.

Fiona Stewart (event director) – Article refunded to user space for development and now live in mainspace. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:39, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.

A week ago, I was just about to create a page for Fiona Stewart, director of the Green Man Festival, when I came across a deletion discussion via the name disambig page. The previous page was deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fiona Stewart (event director), seemingly because it was a puff piece. I've been writing a new version at User:Mujinga/DraftFS and I'm confident it passes WP:V and WP:GNG. I'd like the deleted page to be recreated so I could take a look at it and then merge in my new version. I left a note on the closer's talkpage but they haven't edited wikipedia since March 19. Thanks for any help. Mujinga (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

It beats WP:CSD#G4. The AfD was over two years ago. You claim better sources. The title is not WP:SALTed (Create-protected). Mujinga, if you are confident, boldly re-create it. If you are not confident, use WP:AfC. DRV will not AfD-proof it. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

WP:REFUND and history merge the deleted versions (unless they are junk). If you read the old versions, you should give attribution. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

My reading of WP:REFUND was that I should come here first but it is a bit ambiguous. I'm not in a rush so I'll wait to see if there's a consensus here. I feel the best practice way to history merge would be to recreate it first and then edit. Mujinga (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I don’t know what you read where, but yes, it is ambiguous. Speedy refund for Mujinga. 14 years, 385 pages created, 8121 mainspace edits, he knows what he is doing. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

This really seems like a no-brainer, so I've restored this to User:Mujinga/Fiona Stewart (event director). My suggestion for the easiest way to comply with WP:ATT would be to work on that copy, move it (and the talk page) back into mainspace when you're done, and then tag your DraftFS for WP:G7. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Just to echo what SmokeyJoe said above, while you've given sufficient justification for userfying the old page and taking another shot at a mainspace article, I can't guarantee that somebody won't bring this back to AfD again if the issues from the previous AfD aren't resolved. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, absolutely no guarantee - but that shouldn't be a problem. I do now see why it was deleted before, terribly undersourced. Thanks to you both Mujinga (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Comment - Concur with result. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
The old versions were not “junk”, but were harshly reviewed at AfD for being badly undersourced. A WP:V failure as someone (User:L293D SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)) noted at AfD. The old and the new have now been history merged and are back in mainspace, which was the right thing to do. No prejudice to anyone renominating at AfD, but I think it is unlikely to be deleted, there is enough published independent comment. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
We can close this, there's nothing wrong with the close and there's been an acceptable remedy. SportingFlyer T·C 08:08, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.