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Template:Use Liberian English

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 03:28, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Not usable. The article at Liberian English does not provide any guidance about vocabulary or spelling, so there is no way that this template can be useful to a Wikipedia editor who seeks to use the correct English variant for an article transcluding this template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

  • Delete both per nom Dgp4004 (talk) 00:38, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:21, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Vestrian24Bio 10:59, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete – The existence of an independent, written standard of 'Liberian English' has not been demonstrated. Yours, &c. RGloucester — ☎ 06:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
Delete It doesn't sound like there's any changes in Liberian English from other English-es, so doesn't sound like there's any reason for it to exist Billious Bobulous the III (talk) 08:25, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
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Template:ACVoting

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:05, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

No longer used by ArbCom (see insource search), and the only transclusion is at a list of ArbCom templates. Delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 13:25, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Template:Tarcoola–Darwin railway line

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) =JaventheAldericky= (Would you like to talk to me?) 02:00, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 10:58, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

  • Question: Seemingly was transcluded in this revision of Adelaide–Darwin railway line, not sure when or why it was removed after that. Can someone figure out why it was removed, and possibly consider re-transcluding it back in? Fork99 (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep: now restored to parent article. Useddenim (talk) 03:11, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
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Template:Sydney–Melbourne rail corridor

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:24, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 10:57, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

  • Keep. It was removed in error and not properly restored. I've re-added it. Mackensen (talk) 12:25, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
Keep Per Mackensen Servite et contribuere (talk) 12:56, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep for reason noted above. Useddenim (talk) 03:11, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep per above --Lenticel (talk) 06:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
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Template:WPNICK assessment cat

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:06, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Unused after being replaced with {{Task force assessment category}}. Gonnym (talk) 08:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Template:Spud

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) =JaventheAldericky= (Would you like to talk to me?) 02:40, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Navigates between a novel and the derivative film series with only three entries. WP:NENAN. Οἶδα (talk) 08:11, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Keep. 4 entries seems fine here. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep I agree that 4 entries seems fine, and they are all based on the same series.
Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:56, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
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  • Delete: NENAN - only 4 entries. Vestrian24Bio 11:18, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
  • keep, sufficient number of links. Frietjes (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
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Template:History of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Islamic State and then delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:40, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Redundant to the main ISIS navbox. All these links can be covered by the navbox. If any links are missing, then they should be added. For as large as the navbox is already. A sidebar of this type does not aid in navigation and not everything needs a sidebar. Plus, there is really one article related to the history of ISIS, it is the main article. The rest are general topics. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:12, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Support as merge and not deletion, a lot of these topics are not in the bottom navbar. JaxsonR (talk) 22:10, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
Merge any missing links and delete. Editors who create this duplicate system don't realize that it makes maintaining these twice the work. Gonnym (talk) 07:17, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
I think the average editor definitely uses the sidebars more though, they are easier to find and eye-catching JaxsonR (talk) 15:07, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
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Module:TemplateDataGenerator

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:54, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Unused module. Gonnym (talk) 08:39, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Please note: this is a subst-only module. Those modules and templates are by definition always unused.
{{subst:#invoke:TemplateDataGenerator|f}}
The methodology is of 2013; at that time no other tools were present. Meanwhile there are some JavaScript based available.
However, it still works and collects simply variable names from any source code anywhere and creates a TemplateData JSON skeleton.
Greetings – PerfektesChaos (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
Ok, I have no issue to withdraw for now and come back to this at a later date to see if this is actually being used (maybe with adding a hidden comment to the subst?). Gonnym (talk) 17:23, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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Template:Show SVG

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Since nomination, this has become more widely used. At this point, worth keeping. If others feel differently, they are free to renominate. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:32, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Another template that has been mass created on multiple wiki projects. (Note the same user has created this same template on the Latin Wiki and Commons). There is no need to have animated SVGs directly animated in an article. If you need to view an SVG animation you can open the file. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:43, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

  • Keep. This template is not limited to animated SVGs, but allows to create SVGs with variable properties that depend on template parameters (as in {{My SVG|red|145px}}). It also follows the news/suggestions introduced by Wikipedia:Tech news#Tech News: 2025-45. P.S. Creating templates on multiple projects is not an issue, not sure why it is mentioned. --Grufo (talk) 18:51, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
    I mention you creating templates on multiple projects because it is a pattern of behavior. Taking code that you think works on one wiki and pushing it on other projects without any discussion or attempts to reach consensus on your changes. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:25, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
    This template was created on the projects I contribute to. On English Wikipedia first, to be precise, and then elsewhere (but even if it had been first created elsewhere, it would not be a problem). --Grufo (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep Not following the nominator's logic here. Why not include animate SVGs in articles? We've included animated GIFs in articles for years. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:15, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
    @Pppery: can you link me to an example of that? I always thought we just included the standard file in articles and then to animate it you must click to open it. I've never come across a GIF that is animated in the article. If you can link me to an example and/or the template we use to animate GIFs, this might be one that I have to withdraw... To be clear, I'm don't mean to imply you are lying! I just want to see for myself what you are describing before I withdraw this. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 03:59, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
    Random example I remembered offhand: Year 2038 problem. Unfortunately there's no way to search for these easily. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:20, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
    Appreciate you finding an example. So yea, this is exactly what I was thinking it was. Yes we support using Gifs in articles but you do so using the standard method of calling an image:
    [[File:FileName.gif|thumb|Caption...]]
    We don't create a massive convoluted set of code for each gif and then wrap that in a template to insert the gif into an article (see Template:Zamboni's pendulum.svg).
    If you could do [[File:FileName.svg|thumb|Caption...]] and have that animate, I would have no objection to the fact that the image moves in an article... What I object to is the way that this is implemented. It is not tenable or helpful.
    FWIW insource:/File\:\w+\.gif/i gave me a few other examples. Obviously not all are MOVING gifs, but did find a few. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 04:31, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
    I agree with you that including the SVG source code in a template is unideal (I said as much down there), but right now it's technically impossible to do it any other way so our choice is this or nothing. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:39, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
    I would argue use a tool like this, convert it to a gif and use regular wiki markup. I agree with you that it would be ideal to insert an animated svg directly in the article but I just think this is a nightmare of a way to get around the lack of svg support. We've lasted this long without it... Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:08, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
    We already have SVG support. We just got it recently. But I think we're at the point where it's clear neither of us will convince the other one of our position so I'll leave it at that. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:25, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
    “Convert it to a gif”: A quick reminder that although it can also display animations, this template can do things no GIF can do (and neither can reading SVGs from Commons): constructing images “on the fly”, based on template parameters. The latter can change the colors, the texts shown, the sizes, and so on – which I believe is the main reason this approach was recently promoted upstream. --Grufo (talk) 05:33, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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Comment: Seems almost all usages are from Template:Chemical reaction/arrow. If that is the only way or best way or show this arrow, then keep. If not, then replace usages with the better option. Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
I'm confused... All this code to display a static arrow?? The pendulum mentioned above is one thing. That actually moves. But over 50 lines of code and 2 templates to display a picture of an arrow?! Synpath as the creator of Template:Chemical reaction/arrow can you enlighten us as to why something like File:Right arrow1.svg () cannot be used? Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:45, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
If you look through the template's revision history you can see that I did use existing arrows previously, but issues were raised during discussion that they were illegible for small screens. I chose to make new arrows to address this.
Including all permutations of the arrows would be something like 40+ svg files. Including the most minimal set would still be at least 10 svg files. Using this dynamic svg creation module gets me all the arrows and saves me the most headache. It also centralizes the arrow images (organizational clarity, easy maintenance).
Also, a lot of those lines of code are blank space for readability and the SVG files are quite small. Individual svg files on commons would be something like 8-12 lines anyways. ⇌ Synpath 01:00, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
@Synpath: thank you for taking the time to explain. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:31, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep. I do not understand the issue raised by the nomination. One of the powers of this template/module is that it lets you change an image based on template parameters using familiar wikitext. It is very convenient, though I am open to hearing any issues that come along with this approach. ⇌ Synpath 01:09, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
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